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I was just perusing the modlog when I noticed something interesting. Apparently posting news about Gaza/Palestine is not allowed on !worldnews@sh.itjust.works. I decided to check the side bar and didn't see anything. The only pinned post also does not indicate that this is not allowed

edit: the mod in question is @Eyekaytee@aussie.zone . sorry for not originally tagging. i hadn't realized it was a rule that this must be done. i thought it seemed inappropriate since i was trying to initiate a conversation about a community's rules and culture rather than start drama about an individual

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[–] goat@sh.itjust.works -2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Quite the reaction to being challenged on your views.

Do you consider that there's any overlap between antizionism and antisemitism at all?

[–] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

More of a reaction to being treated like a child, we are adults. We can talk like adults. I am not an idiot, if you lie clearly, it will be clear.

To your question, yes, I think that there is overlap. And that is the danger. I have seen more antisemitism in the mainstream in the last 3 years than in my entire life. My great-aunt burned our family documents in the 90s because she was still afraid that another holocaust could happen. I understand the sensitivity. But it can never be an excuse to do to others what was done to your people. Nobody can look at what is happening and use any other word. We are witnessing a holocaust carried out by the people from which I come. Weep, do not cheer. I think that we are on the same side. I mean, I'm sure that we have different views on the state of Israel and its actions spanning the past 80 years.

But I believe that this genocide, which we all see daily, which we cannot deny, which is ruining the emotional health of former IDF soldiers used as pawns for an imperial endeavor and destroying the lives of their cousins that they are forced to dehumanize and kill, (Again, I speak in-person with former and current IDF members, do you?) is pushing people who might not have had much of an opinion, maybe they laughed at old Jewish jokes, pushing them towards actual hate, because people like Bibi constantly conflate this genocide as a holy war for the Jewish people. When in reality it is an imperial massacre. He and others like him conflate this genocide with protecting the Jewish people. Which side are you on, antisemitism, or pro-genocide of Arabs? Asks Bibi.

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[–] goat@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

So how do we identify antisemitism within that antizionism?

[–] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not a scholar on the subject, but I would say that antisemites are racist again Jews, in the same way that other racists are racist against Arabs or blacks. The exact same thing, ethnic hate. It's usually pretty easy to identify real hate. Especially if you have been following this conflict. Look into Smoltrich's eyes when he speaks if you need a reference for what hate or evil looks like. There are also plenty of antisemitic podcasters out there. The difference is noticeable.

Antizionists do not believe in the extermination of the indigenous ethnic groups who were inhabiting Palestine AT THE TIME THAT THE EUROPEANS ARRIVED, but do not hate Jews in general. Many of us are jews or come from Jewish backgrounds. An antisemite might hate that a Synagogue opens down the street, an antizionist wouldn't care, but would hate that a mosque was demolished with anti-tank mines for a tik tok video in Gaza. It's a pretty easy thing to notice.

I have living relatives older than Israel, Israel is not Judaism. We do not believe that the land being stolen should be stolen, we do not believe that the people being massacred, should be massacred. We can call it Zionism because that is the word that we have come to use, but it's good ol' fashioned colonialism with a pretty name, and we both know it. If it makes you feel nicer, let's call it settler-colonialism. No connection to religion at all.

Something like that, it's actually a very easy distinction to make. The only people that I see struggling with the distinction are Zionists.

There is always going to be racism. But my fellow human being, genocide is taking place with our money, we are doing this. We will have to die one day and answer for this, and you know as well as I on which side of the scale this will fall.

Did you hear about the ceasefire? Let's see what Israel does. Let's just see.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

So we both know that this conflict didn't pop up after the 7th of October.

But before the 7th of October, was there a ceasefire present? If so, what happened to it?

[–] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I am not a scholar on the subject, but if you would be so kind as to educate me on the topics wherein my knowledge is lacking I would appreciate that.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Before the 7th of October there was a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.

Hamas broke the ceasefire with the 7th of October massacres.

[–] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Tell me about the Nakba? the first one.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, Israel started as a colonist power, and the Palestinian people didn't yet have a national identity.

I hate this, though, since you can just keep going on and on about who started what and who owns what considering the history of the region. I love this music video since it really shows just how extensive this history is.

[–] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I know, and it almost seems hypocritical since we all basically come form colonial powers. but we used to to horrible shit all the time. We know better, we can be better. And to do it in the name of religion truly disgusts me. Like it or not, the tides are turning.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

the only way for peace though is meeting both ways.

i think a good start is Hamas and the Bibi government being dissolved. Good luck with that though

[–] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Yeah I'm with ya there, that's the first step I'd like to see. The right wing in power now scares the bejesus out of me and has the possibility foment generations of hate.

He would lose if there were elections.

[–] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Well I mean I know that.