THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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This is what the gun amendment was for people.
I have guns. But if a heavily armed paramilitary knocks down my door with assault weapons pointed at my face I won't have the chance to use it.
That's why you don't open the door for ICE
Get your rifle, aim it at the door.
They can choose what happens next.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
Then you either die in a camp, or from the government drone striking your house.
I'm gonna take my chances with staying in the house.
I am not sure why some people are so intent on dying in the USA in a blaze of glory. It's nicer overseas
Ither countries don't want American immigrants
Unless you sleep with a loaded gun in your hand.
Sounds like someone needs a better door.....
I also have windows.
There's no specific amendment protecting your right to stronger doors but also no laws prohibiting it.
Not true. Many cities have codes against excessive fortifying
Unless you're rich
Never heard of it though I can imagine the ascetics of it would be off putting to some.
No it isnt. You might want to read up on your laws, mate. Cos that one, has never, and will never stand up in court. Because its not what was meant or intended.
I think the point of the amendment was that the populace could remain armed - so that when the people making "laws" overreach, the population has the means to deal with it. Dealing with it isn't part of the amendment. Once you start the only way through is revolution, and then you won't be held accountable.
Theres lots of ways to deal with it, most are legal means though which arent sexy.
I imagine that a lot of those Jan 6th morons thought that they were exercising their rights. After all, they were being told that the election was being stolen. Would everyone here agree that what they did was the right thing, given the information? Of course not, it looked insane and the escalation would have been even worse.
On a purely individual experience, if someone is kicking in your door, and you arent about to be straight up murdered. Just go with them, and sort it out later. Pulling a gun on an armed assault force is never going to end well for you. We all like to think we are John Wick, but we arent. Pulling a gun on a team of armed people will be your last mistake. It should only ever be a last resort.