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I don't like to think that I or we really can't imagine a better system but I don't think it's completely unrealistic to say something like best we got. I say this only because things like communism and all their promises can only really come about through a revolution and the price in blood is jaw dropping. So much killing. It also almost certainly means people materially worse off for a long time if not the rest of their lives in the wake of this revolution even if over generations it manages to eventually deliver.
I'm all for substantial reform and leftist/liberal politics but it's difficult for me to ignore the great peril and huge gamble of revolution. Some times a society successfully manages to make things so bad that there's so little to lose that it can seem a realistic option but I think everybody considering that option should weigh it very carefully. It's very possible to sacrifice everything including your own life and thousands of others' only for the whole thing to get derailed by opportunists and to make a bad situation so much worse.
The only people who will actually "suffer" or have anything to lose from such a revolution are the owning class
These sob stories you hear from people who "fled communist oppression" are just people who lost untold privilege. We call them "communists stole my slaves" stories
this is an unhinged reply if you actually think that. ask people from Poland or some post soviet countries what they thought about living under totalitarian communism.
People loved their totalitarian boot-on-face experience and anyone saying otherwise just believes propaganda, comrade.
That's why all those people were weeping instead of celebrating when the Berlin wall was torn down
I'd ask them, but they'd have no frame of reference. They never lived under communism. They definitely lived under socialism, though.
Pretty sure there are people who lived under communism still alive in that country.
Hell, probably about 50% at this point (depending on birth and death rates).
So there are literally millions of people who have the experience to ask.
Not a single one.
What do you think communism is?
Look up its definition. Compare that to the political system found in the USSR. See they are not the same.
Lenin started a path towards it, called socialism, but by the time Stalin was in power, revisionism was in full effect oriented toward market reforms.
Do you ever actually get outside your bubble and realise you been fed a bunch of horseshit or do you just plug your ears going nanananana naaaa I can't hear you?
Because you are on some wierd tankie shit.
The projection lmao, have you maybe thought about the fact that you've been fed BS all your life and here you are now spewing it without actually knowing what you're talking about
Yes, in fact, that is how i learned this "tankie shit". So ironic. I had to get out of my bubble to stop believing in liberalism.
Do you think society shelters and fosters socialist beliefs? No. It forces liberalism down our throats from the day we're born.
Well, seems you went from one bubble to another.
Interesting perspective you have there. I guess it would be surprising for you to hear that i, too, attacked and insulted left wingers, SJWs, communists and anarchists for the entirety of my adolescence, and even into my mid 20s.
It wasn't until I took the time to listen to their arguments, think through their reasoning, and read their theory that i realised - GASP - serious intellectual thought has been put into this for over 100 years, and it has the backing of thorough scientific enquiry.
Let me put it this way. Does it make sense for production to occur through the work of a person, who then goes on to only be compensated for a fraction of their work, with the rest going to a person or grouo that didn't have anything to do with the work? Does it make sense for anyone to own a home they don't live in, for the purposes of withholding it from others for payment?
It doesn't make sense to me, and any argument in favour of landlords or private ownership in general seems to fall back on might makes right, or truisms such as "that's just how it works".
Hey, pro tip. Ad hominem attacks don't help you.
Some of you arguments I agree with (as I like socialist policies).
But you act like a fucking tankie. So, chill out.
What ad hominem? What are you talking about? I haven't attacked you whatsoever. I'm just explaining the core contradiction of capitalism. Elsewhere in this thread you can see me Stalin should have been shot, and that the USSR under him was a revisionist disaster. And nowhere here have I advocated for anything remotely resembling Stalin's policies. So I'm just confused why you're calling me a tankie. And why you thimk I'm attacking you.