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[-] willeypete23@reddthat.com 55 points 1 year ago

Dude why do people think communism means you can't own anything. There's a difference between private and personal properties. You can own a house, and a car, hell even a whole farm. What you cannot do is hold capital.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

A farm is means of production, therefore it would classify as public property. You cannot own production under communism, only products.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Therefore it could count as a means of production but in general in Communism personal farms of reasonable size and constant use are encouraged. Again, that's a misunderstanding of communism.

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oversimplified for brevity, but basically: You may not be able to OWN a farm in the sense that the land itself is collectivized (not even always true under socialism, depends on specific policies and also whether you consider the "farm" to be a different entity from the land it's sitting on, in that case you often own the farm itself, just look at home ownership rates in socialist countries), but you can USE and WORK ON the farm to generate products for yourself and society at large. I don't see it as that different practically from the perspective of the farmer, since they're still living on the land and taking advantage of its productivity.

I think that's certainly better than renting or mortgaging the land and having to deal with landlords and banks. Collectivization usually freed farmers from their obligation to their landlord or private bank and they just continued farming as normal. It's the landlords who had their "livelihood" taken away (i.e. land that they owned but someone else was living and working on), not the farmers doing the actual work.

[-] deerdelighted@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

So when does a farm go from personal to private property? Is it the moment you rent it or employ other people on it?

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago

It's an oversimplification, but.... Sort of, yeah. Property you "own" to keep from others, and make money from owning it.

[-] huge_clock@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago
[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

Not sure what you mean

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Rule of thumb and there are always exceptions, land that you live and work on is usually personal property, land that you own but someone else pays you for the privilege of living and working on is private property.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

One of the thousands of nuanced use cases that generalist communist revolutionaries haven't even thought about let alone have the skills to provide solutions for.

[-] aport@programming.dev -4 points 1 year ago

They have a solution, it's labor camps or bullets to any citizen who doesn't follow orders.

[-] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago

Wild how even when they were going full-on gulags , their peak imprisonment rate didn't surpass the United States. And we've got plenty of bullets for those that run or resist arrest.

[-] aport@programming.dev -5 points 1 year ago

What about it?

[-] davetapley@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm ashamed to admit I had no idea, until I stumbled upon this video. https://youtu.be/Krl_CUxW14Y

[-] Ajen@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Dude why do people think communism means you can’t own anything. There’s a difference between private and personal properties.

Because the dictionary definitions of those words don't match the way you're using them.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/private

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/personal

[-] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think definition b on private covers what he was talking about

Also merriam Webster is not the end all be all of how language is used

[-] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

belonging to or concerning an individual person, company, or interest

My car "belongs to [...] an individual person", doesn't it?

[-] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

A car can not only belong to one person, but it can be operated by one person.

A key distinction I've heard is: whether a property has to be collectively operated or can it be individually operated?

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

Tell that to the kulaks

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