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But they're a whole lot better for the planet than gas cars. And cars won't go away till we make alternatives. Which we should do as quickly as possible, but will still take a while.
... so long as you're not leasing them, the lifetime energy cost is night and day.
The current rhetoric against EVs is reminiscent of the rhetoric against nuclear power. Yes, it's not great. Yes, it's not renewable. However, it gives us more time to more deeply address these issues. The successful anti-nuclear Green Peace campaigns against nuclear have done immeasurable damage to the environment in the long-term (I'm now convinced they were a big oil sock puppet all along). The same could be said for the anti-EV crowd, but the "EVs are sexy" campaign seems to be gaining more traction this time round.
Make no mistake though, the "EVs are just as bad" is a myth perpetuated by big oil.
If you can do a bike, then please do a bike (or a scooter, or one of the many options). If you can't, then an EV is a good choice. If you can't afford an EV. But never, ever, lease.
Cars are simply not a good method of individual transportation, regardless of what energy they consume. Theyre just too big.
??? I hugely disagree that cars are a bigger problem than green house gas pollution. I can live in an unwalkable city. I probably can't live on a +4°C earth.
I think co2 ghgs global warming is by far the biggest environmental catastrophe coming our way. So the most important factor will be how will it impact co2 emissions.
As I said, we should make alternatives to driving in cities as quickly as we can. But that will still take a while. What are you suggesting in the mean time? Not going places?
EVs are much better than gas for minimizing co2 emissions. I think we should encourage them as a transitional solution till we have trains and walkable or bikeable cities.
So should we not leave our homes for years? I don't see what you're proposing.
I'm not taking about you, I'm taking about me and millions of others who couldn't walk or bike to where they work or get groceries, much less everything else. I am advocating for something better. But even if everyone was on board, it would still take years. And everyone else is very much not on board. I'm not giving up and accepting the status quo, I'm saying we need an transitional solution while we work to change things.
By staying inside for years? That's what I was asking.
What's your source on tires? This estimates 75k miles for tire replacement. That amount of gas would emit 30000kg of co2, vs 350 kg co2 for 4 tires.
I usually visit my closest city for one of two reasons: 1) I have some kind of appointment or 2) I know some who lives there. Right now I'm able to drive there and park on the street. What should my alternative be once the city is "hostile" to cars? Remember, I live 30+ minutes away by car and take a highway to get there.
You're still lugging around 1500 to 2000 kg of steel, glass & plastic to move around little more than your butt. You can do something more efficient than that, assuming the infrastructure is rigged up to handle it.
Yup, not ideal. But the available infrastructure is the key point as you said. A lot of places in the US there just isn't an alternative.