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Unremoval of Piracy Communities @ lemmy.world
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this post was submitted on 30 Sep 2023
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I used to have an account on that woke instance. Left the dumpster fire for lemmy.ml. Not going to entertain obvious censorship on Lemmy.
You left a "woke" instance for one run by communists?
When did commies become woke?
People who use the term "woke" pejoratively usually don't think kindly of communists.
Damn, I want your drugs!
Trust me you don't want them!
if you think a cesspit like .world is "woke" what the hell are you?
Just a free-minded individual with strong views about freedom of speech & censorship.
A libertarian then? What are your views on the age of consent?
I have been advised by my lawyer not to give any public statements regarding this specific issue at this time!
brace noise
You are entitled to your views, but please don't turn this post into a political discussion. If you want to talk about your political opinions, there are plenty of communities for that topic. !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com is not one of those communities. Thanks and have a good day.
How ironic. You are the one who posted the topic doofus!
Yes, so people in our community are aware of the 'unremoval', not to hate on lemmy.world. It's a move in the right direction and personally I'm glad they took this step. Everyone is so tribal nowadays, just chill.
I'll be chill when you stop making corny comments!
No anti-"woke" voices are even remotely approaching getting "censored" or "silenced". If they are then why do I have to hear about them every fucking day?
On the contrary, if you want to hear from a good portion of the population about issues that affect them you need some aggressively anti-racist anti-sexist anti-queerphobic etc spaces or you won't likely get the chance. Isn't hearing what real marginalized people have to say about their own experiences a million times more important than some vague worry about crypto-fash#56637 getting to say their piece which has already been heard and generally decided to be socially harmful and, importantly, silencing to the people their racist, ___-phobic etc speech implies violence to? A chilling effect as you
enthusiasts call it.
Isn't freedom of speech more about an individual having the right to hear from many viewpoints, than it is about an individual having the right to say anything and everything, anywhere, any time, they so desire?
This doesn’t sound like censorship, it sounds like they were getting legal threats directly levied at their volunteer team. I can understand the desire to protect yourself against getting sued for your (admittedly large) side project. It sounds like they are working on it in good faith though.
In the spirit of transparency to the community, post pictures of the legal letters received. Or am just going to assume you are carrying out moderation ^ahem^ censorship on the instance.
Sure. All censorship starts out in good faith.
Firstly, let me be clear. This is my opinion as someone who isn’t, and has never been involved with their instance in any capacity. My account is with pawb.social.
Posting legal letters may open them up to additional legal liability, and it is completely reasonable to let the community know what happened without sharing the actual letter.
Secondly, you’re putting words in my mouth. I am not saying they are censoring in good faith. I am saying the complete opposite, that they are reversing their stance in good faith. In other words, they are uncensoring content in good faith.
So it's a case of their word against ours... Anyway, IANAL but I've seen other similarly positioned projects in the open-source software world post evidence of similar letters.
You do understand that this means that at worst the legal threat did not exist in the first place. At best, the threat no longer exists. Either way, the damage is already done. I don't see the point of walking back. You just don't get to "uncensor" things after the fact.
What tf was woke about that or even better question what tf dose woke even mean by now?...
Trigger happy on banning communities/speech under the guise of moderation using a loosely interpreted TOS policy counts as woke to me.
That's just shitty moderation and probably a overworked mod team, not sure what drug you got your hands on but I would kind of like to try it if you have any left!
Sounds like excuses to me and avoidance in tackling the real issues at hand (censorship of content).
There is a difference betwen cencorship and moderation and one of them is a must sve or you end up with 4chan 2.0 but in this case the decition was bad the the reasoning even worse!
I disagree. Lemmy mods that grew in size got trigger happy with the block button, just like reddit mods did/do. And uses the same tired excuses to justify their behavior.
Lemmy mods have a horrible and unthankful job, they get flooded with CSAM we never have to see and I didn't experience any issues with mods so far, is it possible that the issue is related to the kind of stuff you post?
What does mods getting CSAM posts have to do with banning a piracy community?
And I do not see the relevance in your second question.
You seem to confuse mods and admins, the only thing mods do is run and and moderate specific communities to keep a nice environment people want to participate in. Admins on the other hand manage the instance and are vastly different for most instances (there are some with significant overlap like Lemmy.ml and Lemmingrad but that's usually not the case) and they are behind something like defederations. I didn't see many unjustified defederation and block attempts so far tho, Lemmy.world fucked up with the piracy communities and I did view their proactive defederation from Hexbear critical but now that I know what Hexbear really spreads around the Fediverse I actually switched instance just to get rid of them so I guess they where right on that one!
Thanks for the correction. Meant to mention instance admins.
Because you'd never know about them if you are not looking for the banned communities.
You can block a community from your user panel. Which is why the community bans/deferations from admins is ridiculous.