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[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago

Have you been following media recently or have you been living under a rock?

[-] DaDaDrood@feddit.nl 47 points 11 months ago

I have been following media intensively. I am not saying that news about China is unbiased in the western media. I am calling out the lack of any sources in this weak ‘article’

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
  1. As far as news outlets go, The Diplomat is rather well-regarded

  2. As an opinion piece, sources are usually implicit (since opinion pieces use the reader's own knowledge of current events as the context)

  3. The article points to this article for more context: https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china

[-] DaDaDrood@feddit.nl 41 points 11 months ago

1 I don’t know this outlet, nor am inclined to use perceived pedigree to determine the quality of news. I’d like to see sources, not news dresses as opinions. 2 Opinion pieces that try to be credible need sources or else I will disregard them as petty trolling. The title makes a bold claim, I want sources backing up that claim. 3 that ‘source’ is also an opinion peace without any sources.

Just show me where mainstream media is deliberately bashing China. If it’s that rampant it can’t be that hard right?

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

Again, have you been living under a rock for the past few years? You can even look at the top posts of this community.

[-] DaDaDrood@feddit.nl 35 points 11 months ago

I’m not the one making bald claims. The onus is on the one with the claims. Just show me some sources!

[-] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 20 points 11 months ago
[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

The evidence is right in front of you, yet you refuse to see it

[-] sparkl_motion@beehaw.org 17 points 11 months ago

Then link the supposed data points backing up this claim.

You’ve refused to do so within this thread, only using “You don’t know!” as a reply.

Link the supposed data or GTFO. That’s what every person has stated and you’ve refused to comply.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Everyone says they have data that disproves it

And nobody's provided any because they can't find it

[-] tombuben@beehaw.org 8 points 11 months ago

No one here says they have data that disproves it though?

[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 44 points 11 months ago

That’s not a defense. Opinion pieces can be fine, but if you’re claiming that something is off the charts you should probably have some charts (or any points of data) to prove the claim.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

Then... Disprove it? If there's such distinct evidence that counters the article, might as well use it in your argument lol

[-] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 28 points 11 months ago

Can you prove that China isn't an oppressive authoritarian capitalist state?

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Do I need to? I haven't had a visceral reaction to the article.

For what it's worth, China's affirmative action policies for minority groups put the US to shame. Significantly easier college admissions (despite using a standardized process), extremely generous business loans, proportional ethnic representation in government, vast infrastructure projects to bridge the salary gap, and celebrations of different cultures across the country. Not very capitalist of them, given that these infrastructure projects (while very beneficial to the endpoints) are not profitable.

[-] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 23 points 11 months ago

Treating minorities better than the USA isn't exactly a high bar.

My country also treats minorities better than the USA, it's easy to get into uni, celebrates diversity, has an alright social welfare system and socialised healthcare, does the occasional infrastructure project etc.

Thanks for teaching me that I'm actually living in a socialist paradise rather than a poor, neoliberal capitalist, physically isolated island where private corporations are free to wreck the environment for profit!

[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nobody else has had a visceral reaction, we’ve just pointed out bad journalism 🙂 Using big negative words might make you feel better, but it doesn’t make them accurate. You’re using them to be dismissive of our points

[-] SugarApplePie@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

Significantly easier college admissions (despite using a standardized process), extremely generous business loans, proportional ethnic representation in government, vast infrastructure projects to bridge the salary gap, and celebrations of different cultures across the country. Not very capitalist of them

Sorry OP but basically none of this has anything to do with not being capitalist. I don't even doubt that China is doing better in those departments than America, but that has more to do with how utterly shit America is at most things outside of building bombs than how communist China is. They should get some kudos for executing a couple billionaires, though, gotta at least give 'em that.

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