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(edit : my bad, the first post was deleted by mistake so i rewrote the title from memory, it was Suharto's resignation* in 1998, not death, following riots killing an estimated 1000 people. He died ten years later, in 2008.)

It is also the 74th anniversary of the founding of China's People's Republic today, not a coincidence(, just as, e.g., Russia's war in Ukraine happening on the same "anniversary" as the western-backed 2014 coup).
China was only allowed to exist in 1978 once they welcomed capitalism. Their overwhelming success wasn't expected however.

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[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 11 months ago

in a real democracy we could at least vote to cancel such law.

A real democracy would have constraints to prevent such a law from ever existing, and should it be a thing, even violent revolution is justifiable. This is in essence why communists cannot espouse a purely nonviolent standpoint, as much as we might like to. If there were any way around it, I would much prefer that, but state violence must unfortunately be met in kind.

[-] soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, of course, violence is needed to stop violence, i'll probably always keep in mind the belief that debate is the best path, but that's not always a possibility.
I've been thinking for quite some time now on how to be united in diversity, because it's desirable and feasible, that's why i had to consider that both sides deserved the same rights/respects. In fact, i'm obviously biased, but that's where my (public )questioning on double standards came from, i'm thinking about a situation in which i'd try to be united in diversity even with fascists, with the hope of changing them by our examples, it just really sucks that we(sterners) are hurting so many people around the world instead of helping each other, that's all, thanks for the chat

[-] relay@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 11 months ago

Violence should be an option on the table sure. There is no institution that can maintain hegemony without conditions of violence existing.

Individual fascists being deprogrammed to abandon racial supremecy if you know them? If anyone wants to try that uphill battle to help their friend, i wouldn't say it is a wrong thing to do.

Fascists in groups want strife and conflict as a core part of their ideology. Fascist governments only survive scapegoating internal problems on minorities or foreign governments.

Communists want peace and harmony to all with a government that builds people, including minorities, to their best selves.

In the western left, we are not at the stage of class war where compromising with fascists is tactically advantageous. Working with them only confuses the workers we are trying to convert and makes horseshoe theory that neoliberals propose look accurate.

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