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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 123 points 1 year ago

Wow, USB-C and DDG in the same year? Look at Apple trying to stay relevant 😉

[-] MrGeekman@lemmy.world 224 points 1 year ago

They didn’t switch to USB-C out of the goodness of their hearts. They switched because the EU passed a new law that requires that new smartphones have USB-C ports.

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 1 year ago

Apple will never do anything for any other reasons besides: regulation and profit. They try and foster this image of humanitarianism and ethics, but meanwhile they build everything in sweatshops and make their own "standards" so that their loyal customers can only use the functions they need by purchasing additional dongles.

I'm happy that they were forced into an actual standard, but I've already heard at least two apple users IRL claiming that USB-C is inferior for [insert random reasoning here]. Apple has cultivated the idea that they are above standards for a long time and it will take a long time to break.

[-] Pratai@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

You mean, just like every company that exists?

[-] mriormro@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Apple is a corporation with a market cap that rivals the GDP of France and a net income that rivals the GDP of Qatar. That much capital consolidated within a singular private entity doesn't just make them any other company. Their profit seeking is wildly, wildly different than a vast majority of any other company today.

[-] Pratai@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Get your head out of your ass. ALL companies will never do anything for any other reason besides profit. The size of said company doesn’t matter. A small company will fuck over its customers just as quickly if you let them.

[-] franklin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is just the "both sides of the same" argument with different dressing.

It's as false here as it is there. So you're going to tell me a company like fairphone is as unethical as Apple or Samsung?

Yes of course they work with two completely different yields but that's really the point The only way you can get to that yield is to be unethical so choose smaller brands choose ones that make decisions you agree with and help them grow.

There is no completely ethical capitalism but there definitely are choices that get us somewhere better.

[-] June@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

So you're going to tell me a company like fairphone is as unethical as Apple or Samsung?

Absolutely. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism and even fair phone is profit driven. Even NPOs are profit driven. No one works for a loss in western society. No one. So literally every company will do everything it does for the sake of profitability. Even fairphone.

You have to realize that fairphone’s whole model is a marketing gimmick. Does it happen to align with some good values? Sure, but it’s still a gimmick to separate you from your money at the end of the day.

[-] franklin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is just false. Fairphone had audits that prove it's an improvement in both sustainability and worker conditions.

Of course consumerism always negatively impacts the environment but to make it all equivalent is to forsake all nuance. It's not at all to the same magnitude.

I don't believe capitalism is the answer to the world's problems but to not celebrate a positive initiative is throwing the baby out with bath water.

[-] June@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

Fairphone had audits that prove it’s an improvement in both sustainability and worker conditions.

key word there is 'improvement'. it's still a for profit company and they will ultimately make whatever decisions are in the best interest of the company to make a profit.

they are undoubtedly better, but their baseline is still the same, to make money.

there is no nuance, at all, to the fact that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. it's pretty black and white. there are ways to be less unethical (e.g., fairphone), but not to be ethical.

[-] franklin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That's just it though. One does more damage than the other unless you alone are single-handedly going to overthrow capitalism within the next week (which you know more power to you) this is still harm reduction and I'm happy for it.

Otherwise you just bitching about best case scenarios and living in a world that exists only in your head

[-] June@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago

You’re discussing nuance for a company you like when what I being discussed I the baseline problematic nature of commerce.

Is fair phone a better alternative? Yes, and I’ve said as much.

Is it ultimately different from apple in its goal to be profitable? No.

Both things exist and that’s ok.

[-] franklin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I don't know if your purposely misunderstanding me or if I'm not explaining myself well but give it one last time and then just agreed to disagree.

Fairphone a company I don't even particularly like uses less rare metals, in factories that ensure better standards of living for the people who work there.

Is it everything I want? No. Does it make a measurable impact? Yes.

Therefore it is not the same. they may be a capitalist company and they could change their motto tomorrow of course any company can choose to do terrible things and may throughout the course of their company's lifetime.

As of right now with the options we have they physically do less harm.

[-] June@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

We’re saying the same thing. I’m just emphasizing that they’re still capitalists who will make decisions based on profitability before social impact. It’s inherent because without profitability they can’t exist. Their stated mission (from a quick google) is to be profitable while making a positive impact.

They won’t abandon profitability for impact.

[-] mriormro@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The size, profits, and overall global reach of a company heavily impacts how that company further impacts the world. Do you honestly think that, I don't know, American Girl dolls have had the same negative impact on the world as the East India Company?

[-] M500@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Apple fanboys are the most frustrating people to talk to.

They find any illogical reason to justify what apple does.

[-] Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev 2 points 1 year ago

The only reason they pass on an image of ethical environmentaly friendly company is because its good for business. People like that shit the products are good people buy. Its that simple. Companies give no shit about people or the planet.

[-] MrGeekman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I know. That's my point. A great example of this is when they used to brag about how eco-friendly their product were. I remember them bragging about their displays being mercury-free, BFR free, etc and their laptops having totally recyclable aluminum and glass enclosures - only to later deliberately make their laptops nearly impossible to repair and upgrade.

[-] Chozo@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

And they actively fought against it for as long as they could, tooth and nail.

[-] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, the second largest company in the world “trying to stay relevant”

[-] who8mydamnoreos@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Im not really brand loyal to a gizmo company but the way android users are so insecure makes me never want to get them.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

What is your argument for calling 70% of all phone users insecure?

[-] who8mydamnoreos@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Like this response is a good example of the insecurity im talking about thanks

[-] June@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

This is hilarious because there’s a comment just above yours that’s exactly the same, just turned on its head.

I said it to the android guy and I’m gonna say it to you: pot, meet kettle.

[-] who8mydamnoreos@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

You have truly defended your gizmo company sir, a true white knight of fair google. Not cringe at all

[-] June@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Lmao, I’m an apple user, all in on the ecosystem from phone to smarthome.

Good try though.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

How is that a good example of insecurity of any kind?

[-] ink@r.nf -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I see the exact opposite, and you being triggered when no one even mentioned anything you're so offended about, proves the point.

It's totally not your insecurity talking, at all… but do go on…

[-] MBM 10 points 1 year ago

* In terms of profit, after the Saudi Arabian Oil Group. Huh, I had no idea.

[-] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Of all of the things that I vastly prefer since moving to Lemmy from reddit, anything related to Apple is not one of them. I'm actually surprised because talking about anything Apple on reddit was always a circlejerk pitchfork parade, but Lemmy still seems to outdo. The "trying to stay relevant comment" is honestly hilarious. Sure, the richest company with more than 50% of the smartphone market, that basically feeds design to the rest of the industry is trying to stay relevant.

And another thing worth addressing, It's probably 50/50 whether the EU is forcing them to USB-C, or just providing cover for them to move to USB-C. Modern Apple (after 1997) rarely has used proprietary standards for cables/connectors, and when they have it's pretty obviously because there isn't a better option, or more likely, there isn't an option that is suited to their purpose*. Apple is/was largely the reason we're even talking about USB, being one of the first to really adopt it. Then the dock connector for iPods, which is probably the most major example of them using a proprietary connector. If you read that link (just wiki) you'll see that the dock connector did things that no other standard connector did at the time, and it did it in a form factor that would work with iPods. Fast forward 10 years and Apple eats shit in the press for changing to Lightning, which pre-dated USB-C and has obvious advantages over one of the worst computer connectors in modern history - micro-USB**. Apple contributed significantly to the USB-C spec, which includes many of the advantages that Lightning had first, built off of the work they did with Intel in creating another standard, Thunderbolt.

And then on to today, where Apple is "forced" to use USB-C. Again, in 2016, Apple moved all of their high end laptops to exclusively USB-C, for which they would again be pilloried. People are still pissed those laptops dropped USB-A and MagSafe in favor of trying to drive adoption of USB-C and a one-connector-rules-them-all world. They also moved their Pro iPads over to C in 2018. Basically, Apple started moving its high-end, less price conscious customers to C long before legislation was a gleam in anyone's eye. Their cheaper products (base model iPads) and mass-consumer products (iPhones) they moved much slower on, and even then there were a slate of "Apple keeps changing connectors all of the time!" (twice in 20 years) outrage-bait articles.

Yes, Apple was "forced" to use the connector they created the first design references for (Lightning/Thunderbolt, and to a lesser extend Mini-DisplayPort) and then helped design, then moved to before most, in a bid to stay "relevant" in a field they already dominate.

* Also worth noting that Apple was a main driver of adoption of USB-A, and took heat when they converted iMacs to it over PS/2, far before most PC vendors did.

** This alone, the amount of negative press they garnered, meant that there was likely no way Apple was going to move iPhones off of Lightning for 10 years.

[-] Radicalized@lemmy.one 21 points 1 year ago

I really really don’t think Apple needs to do much to stay relevant.

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