If you want to defend acts of Israeli apartheid towards Palestinians, I'm not going to listen. I'm South African, I oppose apartheid everywhere. As Nelson Mandela said, our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinian people.

I will not defend the killing of civilians by any side. That is morally unjustifiable. I will be clear however, that violence begets violence, and Israel has been indiscriminately bombing civilians (a terrorist tactic), and stealing land and homes for decades. The way to end this is to stop the violence, and come to the negotiation table. A two state solution of some sort is a compromise that is desperately needed to ease tensions.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago

. If you want to discuss how the ~~Palestinians~~ Banderites have accomplished nothing but their own suffering, while having nothing to show for it, then I'm all ears.

Ftfy

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago

hey you should die. screaming, preferably.

[–] Bnova@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago

Agreed, we need for the Europeans and occupiers to go home.

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (1 children)

u mad, settler? packwatch

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago

Allow me to join you

packwatch stalin-smokin

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago

tell that to the fascist government exterminating palestinians on their own land

[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 2 years ago

That's what op was advocating for. Or did you forget that Israel is an apartheid state?

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

and come to some terms/ reality.

Imagine telling this to someone when France was under occupation by Germany

[–] Grimble@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago

What a moving, salient political take. Good thing "Just stop it and leave us alone😡🤬" is a belief that always survives against armed militant resistance

[–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago

With the establishment of a relationship of oppression, violence has already begun. Never in history has violence been initiated by the oppressed. How could they be the initiators, if they themselves are the result of violence? How could they be the sponsors of something objective whose objective inauguration called forth their existence as oppressed? There would be no oppressed had there been no prior of violence to establish their subjugation.

And it is clear that in the colonial countries the peasants alone are revolutionary, for they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. The starving peasant, outside the class system is the first among the exploited to discover that only violence pays. For him there is no compromise, no possible coming to terms; colonization and decolonization a simply a question of relative strength.

Get this into your head: if violence were only a thing of the future, if exploitation and oppression never existed on earth, perhaps displays of nonviolence might relieve the conflict. But if the entire regime, even your nonviolent thoughts, is governed by a thousand-year old oppression, your passiveness serves no other purpose but to put you on the side of the oppressors.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

The illegal settlements that are condemmed by the UN? Yeah sound about right to let murderous religious fundamentalist occupiers just occupy. You say the same to the Ukrainian people fighting the Russian invasion? They should just come to terms with Crimea being occupied?