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submitted 1 year ago by genfood@feddit.de to c/europe@feddit.de

Large difference in employment rates between men and women!

If you compare the employment rates in EU regions, you will notice that the female employment rates still lag behind the male rates in most of the regions.

The EU has set a policy target in this area of halving the gender employment gap from 11.7% in 2019 to 5.8% by 2030.

The green regions shown here are those that have already attained the target.

Source: Eurostat

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[-] kungen@feddit.nu 10 points 1 year ago

So, a very misleading map. Why calculate "gender employment gap" based on "how many people are working" without factoring in anything else?

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago

Because it is a good way of measuring gender equality. Basicly it shows how many women stay at home as housewives. Also it takes age into account, so women just living longer and therefore being a majority of pensioners is not an issue.

[-] kungen@feddit.nu 4 points 1 year ago

How does it measure equality though? Like, what does being a housewife have to do with equality? Are you assuming that the majority of housewives in Europe actually want to be something else?

The majority of nurses are women for example. But is this because men are being discriminated against, or that men simply don't study nursing as often as women? Coming to equality arguments via a single statistic paints wrong pictures.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

When you are a housewife you do not earn your own money and are depandend on your husband. That is also true for pensions, which often are paid out to the person, who actually did earn money. So if the relationship is in trouble, housewifes have a much harder time leaving their husbands then women who work. That means the relationship is naturally unequal with the husbands being in the stronger position.

Basicly you have to reason for that. One is outside forces. If men have an easier time finding jobs, then you have this situation. On the other hand it is how traditional a country is and well that only has indirect consequences on gender equality.

But I still find it fair to say that men do love their children, actually want to spend time with them and are perfectly capable of doing housework. No reason to presume husbands should be less willing to stay at home then women all other things being equal.

[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

So if the relationship is in trouble, housewifes have a much harder time leaving their husbands then women who work. That means the relationship is naturally unequal with the husbands being in the stronger position.

Is that true? In developed countries parents who are the primary caregivers of children do not only get 50% of the assets in a divorce, but they also obtain alimony and financial support for their children, all paid for by the other parent. Even when both parents are working, the majority of judges give child custody to the mother.

In addition to that, there are women's shelters to cater specifically to women. Can you find even a single men-only shelter in your town, or a governmental agency that caters specifically to men in similar situations?

In other words, on average it is less difficult for a mother to divorce than for a father.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago

How is it misleading? If 90% of working age men are working and only 80% of women, that is a considerable gap and should be adressed. Now comes the step of analyzing the reasons and targeting those specifically.

But already assuming reasons to take out of calculation assumes them to be "good" reasons by default and removes them from being adressed.

[-] Lightdm@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

How is it something that needs "adressing"? When people want to work, but can't, and there is a significant difference between men and women, then that probably needs to be looked at.
Simply seeing "in turkey, a country known for following more traditional ways of life, more men are working than women" is not very relevant.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Because work means income and income means having some control over your life, whereas not working for women often means dependency to stay with their husbands even if they dont want to or are subject to abuse.

[-] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

You’re disparaging a country’s culture. Or rather quite a few. Women shouldn’t work, that’s the way the culture is. If you don’t like it, you’re being intolerant.

/s

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