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Your correct. The USA is a democratic country and climate change was known about for a while now. So it's probably more accurate to say that most of the individuals in that generation. Had a responsibility to address it and they didn't.
Now, I sympathize. A lot of the corporate pressure to do nothing about it back then is still here today. But it doesn't change the fact that nothing was done.
I am not placing morale judgement on anyone here. Life is hard and complicated and when you have big business working against you it is doubly so. But that doesn't change the fact that they messed up and it's causing a lot of damage.
Let's learn from their mistakes so we don't mess up in the same way.
I've seen some videos where US citizens are proud that it is not democracy and does not have national elections, instead it has electoral college. Well, at least USA did something good and sanctioned putin's rocketmaker.
I mean, it's reasonable to say they could have done something and failed to do so. However, when you start to dig into what they could have done, it's hard to think of anything particularly effective and easy to see why they could have been convinced into inaction. So you could say they made a mistake, but were not fully at fault. The ones at fault are the ones who have been convincing them.
I like to say that responsibility isn't neatly divided up into percentages. Someone can be fully 100% responsible for something that happened, but other people can have some minor responsibility also. There's no threshold between being responsible or not, either, it's a sliding scale. When assigning responsibility and blame it's important to remember these things.
A communist revolution. And don't give me that "they didn't know" crap, there were communists fighting the good fight back then.
Hey man, I love communism as much as any far left lemmy user, but can you explain how a communist revolution would have impacted climate change?
The primary motive to pollute was the profit motive of fossil fuel companies, and automotive manufacturers. Today, the biggest argument against closing mines is jobs, and the biggest argument for cars is getting to work. A communist system has universal basic income. Better planned neighbourhoods such as the Soviet 15 minute cities would also reduce transport emissions, though the soviets were not communist. There should exist no such thing as mining or energy companies, and under communism, that's the case.
Hmm. Under communism, even with UBI, people would still have jobs, or hobbies, or would go on road trips or vacations, so you'd still have people driving cars.
I agree that better, more walkable city planning and functional public transit is important for reversing climate change, but lots of people think that, not just communists. I don't see what a communist revolution has to do with that - even your example is of Soviet cities, not communist cities.
And even if there are not energy companies under communism, there still need to be power plants, electricity would still need to be generated. What about communism would make those power plants be powered by renewables instead of coal?
Isn't it obvious that a people who work to better society would do more altruistic work?