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[-] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

Well you've just erected a pretty nice strawman there but not much else.

"It has no legislative, executive, or judicial powers."

Nobody has any fucking clue what powers it might have, its a blank check. Show one fucking piece of evidence that there is any public plan for what this "advisory body" can and can't do, or shut the fuck up.

Sure, we can change it. But there has not been any fucking legitimate reason presented as to why we should. The arguments presented by the Yes campaign are certainly emotional, but not fucking one has presented any argument as to what this body will actually do to change anything.

[-] g0nz0li0@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Let's stick the the topic and avoid juvenile debate tactics.

Show one fucking piece of evidence that there is any public plan for what this "advisory body" can and can't do, or shut the fuck up.

Here is exactly what the referendum entails, and note that it specifically limits the role of the Voice (in whatever form it takes) to "make representations" and also that it specifically highlights that parliament - and only parliament - "shall... Have the power to make laws".

Chapter IX Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples

129 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice

In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander by peoples as the First Peoples of Australia:

there shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;

the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;

the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.

I repeat: the Voice Has no legislative, executive, or judicial powers, and you have no legitimate basis to imply otherwise. We are 100% not being asked to vote on a Constitutional change that undermines democratic principles. If you vote No on that basis then it is because you are ignorant of the proposed Constitutional change and have been conned by the right wing and media.

not fucking one has presented any argument as to what this body will actually do to change anything.

The Voice is part of modest recommendations proposed respectfully by First Nations people via the Uluru Statement from the heart. You need to be cynical and unrealistic to think that accepting and supporting their views - with no downsides to you personally or us as a country - really won't change anything. Are you really interested in the outcomes for First Nations people? If so, please explain how you expect to see change if the Voice is rejected?

[-] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Forgot to add - I haven't been conned by any media, either right wing or slightly less right wing. Don't own a TV and the only social media I'm on is this which is unsurprisingly light on Aus politics.

Its ain't me being conned here

[-] g0nz0li0@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Interesting. I'm curious why you aren't familiar with the details of constitutional amendment I linked to. You're clearly not basing your opinion on primary sources, so what secondary sources are you consuming?

[-] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

What makes you think I'm unfamiliar with it? I know exactly what it says, regardless of whether I'm a shit debater

[-] g0nz0li0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe because you keep claiming information hasn't been made available when a simple google search proves you wrong?

[-] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago
[-] g0nz0li0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I have the receipts. Here's false statements you made that I corrected using easily available resource you refuse to acknowledge.

not fucking one has presented any argument as to what this body will actually do to change anything.

And

Nobody has any fucking clue what powers it might have, its a blank check. Show one fucking piece of evidence that there is any public plan for what this "advisory body" can and can't do, or shut the fuck up.

And

There is literally no scope included - they'll decide after

And

And all this done by a group of people or an individual chosen through unspecified means with unspecified credentials.

All of these are defined and you have wrongly claimed otherwise. You're a rube.

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