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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/6837465

Even though right-wing politicians decry immigration (because it's a populist viewpoint), they secretly or openly want more. Countries without low immigration will lag economically compared to countries with high immigration such as the US.

Original link: https://www.ft.com/content/de913edd-71d1-4a36-b897-091125596952

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[-] Nobsi@feddit.de 82 points 1 year ago

"we need more people that we dont respect to do the jobs that we dont want to. At the same time we have to make it really hard for immigrants to live here"

[-] taladar@feddit.de 59 points 1 year ago

Also, we are going to complain that asylum seekers don't work while explicitly prohibiting work for asylum seekers.

[-] agrammatic@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's one of the most blatant self-made problems around migration that populists very disingenuously employ to paint their favourite picture of the "welfare queen" which has been a bold, racist lie since it was first used.

But I'm also a bit sceptical of how you can do this in a country without mandatory collective agreements in all sectors. Germany at least has a minimum wage, but that just means wage dumping can only go as low as 12 Euro per hour. Back in Cyprus, where the same question is constantly in the news, the most notorious anti-worker industry, the tourism sector, is begging for asylum seekers to be allowed in the jobs that they have most trouble filling with citizens, EU-residents, and work-permit holders. But they want to do so outside a collective agreement (one used to exist, but for various reasons is now dead-letter) and essentially without even the protection of a minimum wage (which Cyprus didn't have until this year, and now it has an idiotic version of it which defines a monthly minimum wage without a limit to hours worked).

I think that the introduction of asylum seekers in the workforce should happen, but it should happen in tandem with a massive pro-union legislation change that will make collective agreements mandatory across the board (similar to the Swedish and Finnish models, as far as I understand those). That might require re-aligning the way unionism is understood in Germany from per-workplace to be per-industry.

[-] CAVOK@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Can't speak for Finland, although I think it's the same, but collective agreements are certainly not mandatory in Sweden. Most companies over a certain size have them, but they don't have to. Many, if not most, small businesses don't.

I personally wouldn't work for a company that didn't have one.

[-] taladar@feddit.de -2 points 1 year ago

unionism

Not sure this is quite the right term here. At least in the UK this is about being for the Union of the countries making up the UK, not about worker's unions and in Northern Ireland it is usually synonymous with one side of the conflict.

[-] agrammatic@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Given that the article is not about the UK, I don't see a good reason to reach for a UK-specific definition.

Bollocks. Even in the UK unionism has dual meanings, one about organised labour and one about the country. And the country meaning of unionist only gets mindshare in NI & Scotland. If you mention anything about unions/unionism in England people will assume organised labour.

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