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Israel says Islamic Jihad rocket misfire caused blast near Gaza hospital
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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this post was submitted on 18 Oct 2023
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Alright, gonna be a skeptic.
We're seeing an Israeli news source followed by an IDF statement with IDF evidence, so a conflict of interest does exist with these sources, though that doesn't mean either is lying. That being said, if Israel did deliberately target a hospital in Gaza with as many eyes on Gaza as there are, that'd be a really fucking stupid move. At the same time, If they did, lying and completely fabricating everything is in their highest interest. At minimum, though, I think that any trustworthiness one would associate with journalists or military Intel be thrown out, and the evidence be viewed with skepticism
There is also some oppositely damning evidence in circulation. GeoConfirmed apparently did their own locating of where the video occurred, and - if accurate - from the videos perspective, the missile was moving northwest, from the direction of Israel. They are also A third party in this, though, so their bias is not immediately determinable from this one tweet, nor can the factuality be easily confirmed.
We're still in the fog of war, and simultaneously a war for our minds and support is being waged. I am going to wait for more information from more parties to arrive.
EDIT: I previously stated the tweet I linked claimed the missile was moving north east, which it doesn't - that's my misphrasing. The tweet I linked specifically repeats the falling shrapnel story - though the evidence they show shows the camera looking southeast, with the missile coming from said direction towards the camera. I've rewritten it to be more clear.
If it were Israel, they would just say Hamas was using the hospital as a military facility like they have in the past.
Their minister did say that before he deleted the tweet. I guess they realise what they had done and decided to say "wasn't us"
The geoconfirmed link in your article (to x) actually claims the opposite of what you are claiming it does:
„ Conclusion:
A missile launched by a Palestinian group exploded mid-air (Reason unknown) and one piece fell on the hospital causing an explosion.
The geolocation and timing of the footage is conclusive.„
Something that occurs to me that I can't really get out of my head is perhaps Israel using it's iron dome system to intercept missiles so that the shrapnel lands inside Gaza. I don't know much about the iron dome system, nor what the alternatives to making missile shrapnel fall on civilians are.
If anyone with more knowledge about these things could weigh in, I'd appreciate it.
No shot a Hamas rocket has that kind of firepower, especially after detonation.
If you watch the comparison video, it sounds very much like a US JDAM rig (which is like a strap-on guidance system for normally-dumb ordinance; so instead of just falling from a plane and hoping for the best, it can aim and steer to a target.
Do you know who has US military tech? Hmmm
Again: So there is a sound comparison of two videoclips with no information whatsoever when they were created and what they are showing.
Why is that proof for anything?
If it was a misfire, it could still have been full of fuel, could that have had an effect?
(Not seen videos)
Yeah, I pulled open those clips from @zerfuffle and had an "oh damn" moment. It sounds identical.