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[-] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In ww2 the Russians did most of he dirty work anyway. When the USA joined the war it was already clear the axis had lost.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

Hollywood war reenactments are a psyop.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

When the USA joined the war it was already clear the axis had lost.

While I agree that that it was the Soviet and Chinese people that absorbed the greatest part of the Axis' powers warmaking ability (which western historians are apt to ignore), it's not true that the Axis had already lost the war by 1941. It's accurate to say that the US joined the war at a moment when the Axis forces had hopelessly overstretched themselves.

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

By the winter of 1941, Barbarossa had failed. By the time the Western Front was opened in 1944, Army Group South had collapsed, Army Group North was failing, and Army Group Center was in the process of being encircled. Germany had lost, it was just a question of when. In the meantime, the entire North African campaign cost the Germans less resources than the Dnieper-Carpathian Offensive.

Friendly reminder that prior to Pearl Harbour, the US was sponsoring Japan's war crimes in China. The US made up the bulk of Japan's iron, copper, oil, steel, and wheat supply... Essentials for industrializing and waging war. Even with this massive economic power backing them, Japan had been fought to a standstill by 1940. By 1944, the Nationalists were more concerned with containing the Communists than they were with containing the Japanese.

In the case of both Germany and Japan, powerhouses at the peak of their power were ground down to a stalemate against a rapidly industrializing nation.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Was this lecture aimed at me or someone else?

[-] immuredanchorite@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

definitely aimed at you, but also edifying for anyone who might think the USA was solidly on the side of good during the war. The US entered the war in 41, but they refused Stalin's repeated requests to open a second front against Germany. They went to north africa first and then italy, waiting until the German eastern front had nearly collapsed before landing in Normandy. The US was essentially racing against the red army, trying to prevent the soviet union from liberating the entirety of europe under the banner of liberation for humankind. Once the US reached Germany and peace began, the US almost immediately formed NATO and appointed Nazi war criminals into its upper ranks while putting nazi war ciminals in charge of west germany. The yankee government is bad and always has been. throughout all of its history it only has made good choices when it has been dragged kicking and screaming.

[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

The US entered the war in 41

two fucking years late because they were too cozy with the nazis

[-] wombat@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

4 years; the war started in 1937 with Japan's invasion of China.

[-] Autonomarx@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Do you have any specific book recommendations on this?

[-] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id -1 points 1 year ago

Typical oversimplified tripe. Soviet bodies played a huge role, but US and British mechanized force projection, naval power and industrial capacity were at least as important.

It's also just bullshit that the Axis had already lost. That's the worst kind of historical revisionism. It might be obvious to us looking back, but it wasn't even remotely obvious to anyone alive then.

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