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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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• r/ACAB
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• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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Nah, they REALLY buried the lede with this bit further down. Emphasis added.
Well I know what I'm going to do. "Get fucked pig" and walk off.
Willing to bet just about anything that the second you try, they'll find probable cause to detain you
I'll gladly make it an aggravated arrest.
Might end up on a no fly list and with federal charges, but you've surely showed them.
They have the upper hand, and no amount of imagined badassery will fix this systemic problem.
You're just dead set on being murdered by a cop, aren't you? 🤦
You do you and I do me. Let's not judge each other and instead remember we're on the same side fighting for the same thing just in different ways.
After all, I'm not asking you to do as I do. That should mean something right?
You're welcome to try, but your whole attitude seems rooted in the idea that at the end of the day, the justice system is on your side and that you can beat them at your own game.
More likely you'll get arrested, probably have some BS charges thrown at you that the judge will happilly pass through, you'll never fly again, and maybe even see some jail time.
There are many valid and important ways to fight back against police injustice. Yelling "get fucked pig" - while satisfying, and even justified - is definitely not one of them, even if talking about doing it does make you feel like a badass lol
You're making an assumption that I believe in the justice system.
You're very likely (95%) correct that I'll get fucked over by the entire system, and I'm willing to accept that. I don't care if I lose. I care that I tried.
Seems like a waste to me, if you're literally willing to give up your freedom to fight the system, it'd make a lot more sense to do it in a way that might actually lead to change
But hey, it's your life to throw away 🤷🏼♂️
Shhh just make me a martyr to the cause yo.
You ever had. Real encountered with the police? They'll just make some shit up and search you anyway best case scenario. More likely is you now upset them and they arrest you for whatever they make up on the spot, I believe there was just a supreme court ruling that they can make up a reason for stops/arrests after the fact and that's perfectly fine as well.
So, while I agree with the sentiment, I wouldn't try anything like that. The police state is real and oppressive. You want to avoid any interaction with it and the US system at all costs.
Lol I've been given a breathalyzer by the fucking police all because I stopped on the side of the road after avoiding getting hit by traffic 7 times.
Yeah I've dealt with the pigs. Fuck em and if I'm the process of fucking I get arrested on bullshit charges and convicted then so be it.
DEA isn't real police though. Mind you i wouldn't try that shit, i like having teeth and dislike dealing with violent gangs.
Yeah they are and they're usually even WORSE than regular cops. ACAB means federal cops too.
Probably safer to at least try "sorry, I don't have time for this" while just walking away
Probably but my intent isn't to go for peaceful. If your intent is, I hope it works out for you.
Oh, I see... You want to get arrested.
I'll pass on that since I've been through the experience more times than I can count already but good luck with that.
Less so want to get arrested. More so, willing to deal with the consequences of my own actions.
If that means getting arrested for telling a pig to fuck off then so be it.
... to the cinnebon, 20 yards away
Meet up at the cinnebon then ran away to South America together?
Yeah because that's how encounters with cops ever happen 🙄
If I had a dollar for every time a cop has murdered someone for failing to obey an unlawful order, I would be rich enough for cops to let me get away with anything!
The DEA is a failed experiment filled to the brim with corruption and toxicity. It should've been dismantled decades ago. Redundant executive agencies have gotten out of control in the US (e.g. Dept of Homeland Sec (DHS), NSA, DEA, etc). There's nothing the DEA does that the FBI isn't capable of doing. Same with DHS. And I won't even get into how the DEA violated the Constitution by essentially writing their own laws regarding drugs (i.e. Controlled Substances Act states that determination if drugs have medical use is to be conducted by the Surgeon General, yet the DEA repeatedly ignored SG and just labels drugs however the fuck they want).
DHS was meant to be the answer for your concern. Why have many agencies with separately defined jurisdictions, checks and balances and limitations when you can combine them into one monstrous entity that can work together without pesky limitations like Constitutional rights or public transparency
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/23_0221_dhs_public-organization-chart.pdf