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The war has been going on long before Hamas attacked; ending the war means ending the occupation.
From the river to the sea.
Yeah the Hamas attack was terrible, but that doesn't put Israel on the right side of the conflict.
What else is Hamas supposed to do?
It's easy for us to sneer down at them from some ivory tower about morals and whatever, but practically speaking their only other choice is to lay down and die.
"All violence is unjustifiable"-type liberals are incapable of understanding the situation. Every single suggestion of what Palestinians could do instead has been tried and tried again.
murdering women and children is never the answer, even if Israel is doing it. Fuck, Hamas murdered people who were lifelong two state supporters of Palestinian rights, multiple people who worked for decades to help Palestine and de-escalate the violence. Hamas just confirmed to the world they're the bad guys. Sure, Israel under Netanyahu is evil, but that doesn't mean you want to join their evil fucks club.
A lot of those women were IDF reservists and veterans. Women aren't children, don't lump them together. It's not more sad when women die, and it's not less sad when men die. That's paternalism.
It is sad that children died, but settlers (and yes, even two-staters are settlers) shouldn't be bringing children to their settler-colonial occupation. The so-called two-state solution presupposes that Israel should be allowed to steal some land instead of all land.
Now answer the question.
What the fuck are they supposed to do? Because to me? It looks like it's either fight or die.
what are they supposed to do?
not fucking murder children. don't descend to the depths your enemy has just because they're ultra fucking traumatized. going both fucking ways.
That's not an answer, that's a platitude.
Give me a fucking answer. Name a thing they could do where there is no risk of civilian casualties. Literally anything.
Or do you want them to just lay down and die nobley?
NOT FUCKING MURDER CHILDREN.
That simple. If that's a platitude you need to get fucked.
Things they can target without murdering children: IDF soldiers, IDF watch towers, IDF fences, IDF facilities, you know
FUCKING COMBATANTS YOU VILE CRETIN
"oh israel is evil so killing their children is justified" just makes you as evil as they are. I pity the Palestinians: with allies like you, there will never be peace.
They did target soldiers and IDF infrastructure. It's not really their fault that IDF reservists and veterans being children to their settler-colonial occupation.
It's sad children died, but that's Israel's fault for putting them on stolen land.
justify murder of children however you want. it's sick, and there's something wrong with you when you cross the line to do so. I hold israel to account for the murders they've committed - and lay them at the feet of Bib's failed policies and silly fucking games. Hamas isn't going to stop at a few murdered kids - their mission is to destroy the state of Israel and it's inhabitants. Wake the fuck up and realize you're defending people who murdered children and you're wrong to do so.
Hamas isn't helping Palestine. GODS AND HOLY BOOKS AREN'T GOING TO LEAD TO PEACE. Just more explosions and bullshit like your apologetics.
You're completely wrong about Hamas's goals. Their goal is to destroy the Israeli State, not the people. Wake the fuck up and realize Hamas is the largest force fighting for a free Palestine.
it doesn't, but it also puts Hamas firmly in the 'will commit war crimes' category. Hamas does not have Palestine's interests at heart. And fucking BIBI KEPT THEM IN POWER.
FUCK HAMAS. FUCK NETENYAHU. THEY BOTH NEED TO GO.
Fuck off with the both sides nonsense. Only one side has the power to end the violence and it isn't the Palestinians.
You think that if Israel stopped their colonizing the conflict would be over?
Hell, Gaza is, apparently, the most radical area and Israel officially dismantled the settlements there a decade ago.
The Houthis literally call for the destruction of Israel and death of all Jews in their motto, and they're not even neighbors. There's a whole two countries between Israel and Yemen.
Imagine what the people in Palestine feel.
This shit won't be over. Humans are very, very bad at forgetting past wrongs, especially when religion is involved, and our worst always see peacemakers as weak, not brave.
But don't worry, soon enough the resource wars will start in earnest and the question will get settled one way or another.
Its less about stopping colonization and the only option to end the conflict is Israel leaving the area entirely. If Palestine is eliminated, they are surrounded by countries that dont want Israel there. Israel has no incentive to end conflict as they receive continuous funding as long as there is an opponent. The only way the conflict will ever be resolved is with them leaving.