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Kick tankies out of 196 (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

submitted 1 year ago by Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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Remember kids, Tankies wants to undermine democracy - same as facists.

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[-] mycorrhiza@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 year ago

what democracy?

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

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In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule — at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.

something like 70% of Americans want universal healthcare and yet it remains politically impossible.

[-] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The people screeching about tankies constantly just learned the term in the last year and want everyone to know they know it

[-] P00P_L0LE@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

starting the timer to see how long it takes for this to be removed and for you to be labeled redfash or some such nonsense

[-] nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN 7 points 1 year ago

Leftist who want to fix this are by far the largest group of leftist. And there have been multiple successful leftist political victories. You can not get these victories without a considerable amount of leftist and left leaning voting. And it's your discourse that just wants to pretend that nothing can be done, it's too late, Democracy isn't real... That is undermining leftist progress in our current society. And this is the problem, tankies aren't interested in protecting, fixings or saving current society. They want everybody to suffer the breakdown of society in order to hopefully get a revolutionary uprising that magically turns everything into a communist utopia. It's poison and you're injecting it.

[-] mycorrhiza@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And there have been multiple successful leftist political victories. You can not get these victories without a considerable amount of leftist and left leaning voting.

The entire conclusion of the study I linked is that this is not happening.

There's nothing wrong with voting, I vote every two years, but it's dangerous to convince yourself that voting is enough. You need to also organize. You need to strike. You need to unionize your workplaces. If you really want to push the government into conceding real improvements in our lives, you need to apply direct pressure on a large scale. And when the crackdown comes, you need to collectively organize to help each other. Bail people out of jail. Help people pay rent when they're fired for trying to unionize. Doing this on a large scale is how you get actual fucking change, and it will never happen if people lie to themselves that voting alone is sufficient.