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Most people saying this are transphobes anyway (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 2 years ago by Virgadays@lemmygrad.ml to c/memes@lemmygrad.ml

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[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That doesn't match with my readings of the history. Here is a larger article about it. I've also heard mention of a soviet delegation to the famous LGBT clinic in Germany. That wouldn't indicate that it was an oversight either.

Regardless, even under Stalin, I don't think the Soviet Union was demonstrably worse than the west in queer rights . The Soviets didn't reimprison prisoners with pink triangles liberated from concentration camps for example.

[–] kig_v2@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait, did the other Allies do this??

[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 years ago

Yes. Sorry, best source I could find in the time available. But it's true and well documented. West Germany specifically, although other western countries weren't great either.

[–] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

if im not mistaken, in that it was scientific consensus that homosexuality was a mental disorder (they used the suffix ism) and that could lead you to sexually engage with children.

obviously pedophilia was a crime and could you get punished by it, homosexuality wasn't, we were treated as a mentally ill person, did therapy and take medication.

ofc it was not ideal, but still way better than england at the time, that led their brightest mind and huge contributor to the war effort to commit suicide because he was gay.

[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That is just not true. Homosexuality was absolutely a crime.

Karl Gorath, a gay man, was first convicted under the law in 1934. He was sent to the Neuengamme concentration camp and later to Auschwitz, where he survived until its liberation by the Soviet Red Army on Jan. 27, 1945.

In 1946, more than a year after the end of the war, Gorath was prosecuted again. During a court appearance, the same judge who had convicted him during the Nazi era greeted him with the words: “You’re here again.”

Gorath was sentenced to five years in prison and later spent decades battling to undo the injustices done to him. His Nazi-era conviction was annulled shortly before his death in 2003. Post-war convictions were only annulled in 2017.

[–] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

my bad for not specifying, i meant the soviet union, anyway, i will be deleting the comment to avoid more misunderstandings

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fwiw I thought you were talking about the Soviets.

[–] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

so, can you confirm if what i said is true? im not sure myself, just heard somewhere

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I have heard the same as you but I haven't really looked into it myself. I'm not sure either.

Edit: if I come across an answer elsewhere, I'll let you know.