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Pro-Palestine protesters chant ‘Gas the Jews’ outside Sydney Opera House (www.telegraph.co.uk)
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[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Supporting Palestinian right to life and territory doesn’t mean you support the destruction of Jews or Israel.

True, but these protesters and Hamas clearly support that. Hamas was elected as the government of Gaza last time they had an election and have yet to be deposed. Palestinians who support the destruction of Jews and Israel run Gaza.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago

You can support Palestine and oppose Hamas at the same time. You don't even need to support Fatah either.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sure, but unfortunately at present in Gaza, they are the same entity. Hamas represents Palestine there. One cannot retaliate against Hamas without harming Palestinians; there's significant overlap in that Venn diagram. It's like saying one supports Russia but not Putin.

The big difference for me regarding the factions here is that although asymmetrical, one side of this conflict wants genocide and the other wants safety. Although Palestine is the underdog here and is punching up rather than punching down, I cannot see them as the good guys like I might otherwise. They are a hostile belligerent force that attacks civilians regularly and refuses to concede defeat despite having lost every war they stated with Israel since 1948. At this rate they will soon be left with nothing because they will not accept the realpolitik of their situation and their leaders historically prefer violence to viable concessions. This unwillingness to accept the inevitable consequences of their failed hostile actions will not end well for them.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Very elegantly put. Unfortunately, eliminating Hamas could be like trying to eliminate the Taliban from Afghanistan, where it just ends up being a hydra situation.

[-] Szymon@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago

Over 50% of the population of Gaza wasn't born when Hamas was elected. They've never had a choice on their leadership, and it's a shame they didn't take any opportunities to change the leadership before this.

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