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[-] maniacal_gaff@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago

Generalizing entire groups of people usually isn't recommended. I know boomers who would code circles around any of the kids who think that configuring wifi is the height of tech literacy.

[-] teichflamme@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Gen Z is probably as illiterate at least.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

That's primarily because boomer politicians replaced effective literacy programs with programs that allow those with learning disabilities and other intellectual impairments to navigate the world. This means that many gen Z and younger millennials were robbed of quality education that enables self-directed study and critical analysis of text. Primarily so that connected education product companies could make a profit.

[-] teichflamme@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

But the meme was about tech illiterate people dude

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago

The two are inextricably linked. Deep computer literacy requires regular literacy as well as the ability to learn and analyze independently. Both of the latter, when dealing with computers, rely on the former. There's a literacy crisis in the US with significant downstream impacts that's largely been ignored because the cause is profitable.

[-] teichflamme@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

That's a bit farfetched.

Following that argument every single skill in life is dependant on literacy and I'm pretty sure illiterate people are still able to learn and analyze.

Even if not, technically illiterate people can actually read a button or menu item.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not sure that we're on the same page or set of definitions. Of course not every skill depends on linguistic literacy.

Take skateboarding, for example. Yes, there could be some theory, potentially (I'm clearly not a skater) but much of the skill is in learning how to physically operate the board as an extension of one's body. This is a "natural" sort of skill that meshes well with our evolved neurobiology (ie perception, motor function, physical coordination, etc.)

Now, let's look at written language. It is NOT a "natural" sort of skill. It MUST be taught and learned with effort because our neurobiology has not evolved to account for the sorts of tasks involved. Writing is an abstract thing that requires abstract thinking to really understand - the word "lion" is not literally a lion, which is not a simple task to grasp for an untrained brain.

Next, computing. A computer and what it does is incredibly abstract. A bunch of pieces of specially-shaped stone, use an invisible force to represent presence and absence (the concept of "zero" is only in recorded use for the last 3800 years or so and ancient greeks didn't even have a symbol for it). By performing ever more complex mathematics on these stones, we can create tools that people can use to perform abstract, and in some cases, physical work. And these interactions are nearly all performed based upon instructions that people write in text-based languages that don't even match up with natural languages.

Even if not, technically illiterate people can actually read a button or menu item.

And this is part of the origin of the issue inflicted upon younger people. In the US, literacy programs were largely replaced by programs literally designed to help people that are illiterate take care of their basic needs in a society that depends on written language.

Another way of putting it is: An illiterate person can press a button on a touchscreen to order a hamburger, because either there is a symbol of a hamburger, or, they were taught to recognize the shape of the word "hamburger". But, they might not actually know what the price actually means or, they may mistakenly order a plane ticket to Bamberg, Germany, because the words look alike. If they have a computer and an error dialog box pops up, will they know how to figure out how to fix it? Will they install "anti-virus" software that opens in a popup because it looks similar?

How about if they want to learn how to write a resume? How will they do that? What about figuring out how to write a mod for Minecraft? Or Enterprise software? These are all things that are dependent on linguistic literacy. Reduction in the general population's literacy makes people easier marks for cons and significantly reduces their ability to learn new things as well as effectively operate computers for anything but games and scams.

ETA: I'm far from an expert and would really recommend looking into what LeVar Burton of Reading Rainbow and Star Trek fame is saying about this problem.

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

And probably less lead, but more poisonous metals from vaping

[-] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Vape is just propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine, both food safe, with typical food flavoring additives

[-] nrezcm@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I vape so its not like I'm against it or anything but do you really trust that the coils are safe? Especially when all the pre-made coils are coming from China? I mean look at the baby formula fiasco from a few years ago or the lead paint in Children's toys. Not trying to fear monger but it's not far fetched at all that there could be safety concerns with a lot of vaping stuff.

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

I'm just making fun of that stupid YouTube psa

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