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submitted 1 year ago by TinyPizza@kbin.social to c/world@lemmy.world

Since October 7, more than 3,257 children have been reported killed, including at least 3,195 in Gaza, 33 in the West Bank, and 29 in Israel, according to the Ministries of Health in Gaza and Israel respectively. The number of children reported killed in just three weeks in Gaza is more than the number killed in armed conflict globally – across more than 20 countries – over the course of a whole year, for the last three years.

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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago

Yet some people still claim Israel is the victim! When the truth is that Israel is a terrorist state.

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 51 points 1 year ago

The ol' "you shot me in the foot so I burnt down your neighborhood and killed your entire extended family" defense. Unbeatable in the court of law.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

I agree, except I think Israel is the one to both start and end this.
I burnt down your house and killed your family, but because you shot me in the foot, I'll burn down your neighborhood and kill your entire extended family.

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Don't forget how they'll cry to all their friends and relatives that they were the victims all along.

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago

That one doesn't hold up as well in court though...

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[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 year ago

People see will see these numbers and still argue "they are showing restraint, if Israel was really evil they would just carpet bomb them all." Like what the fuck is this then?

[-] snek@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

This excuse of "how is it genocide if there are still Palestinians alive? huh?" is such bullshit. Yes, let's wait for Israel to kill the very last Palestinian before we can bring out our memorials and cry over the genocide.

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago

"The Nazis are killing Jews? Why would they put them on train cars then and have them work? Wouldn't they just shoot them or bomb them right there? I don't think it's really as big a deal as it seems." -American in 1940

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[-] Kashbus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It's a bit more complicated than that no?

[-] WuTang@lemmy.ninja 0 points 1 year ago

No it is not and all the douche saying "hu it is a bit more complicated" are just full of crap. This is smoke and mirrors. There's no fucking sense, legitimization to their campaign on civilians, just fucking no.

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

No, it’s not complicated at all actually.

[-] Kashbus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

If you find it not complicated then you are either uneducated and not impartial

I hope for the former and that you will educate yourself (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict)

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Apartheid is not complicated. Sorry if that’s hard for you to understand.

[-] Kashbus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Article 34 of the 1949 Geneva Convention IV states that the taking of hostages is prohibited

I'm sorry that you are so clouded by hate

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Israel is an apartheid state. Apartheid is the root cause of the entire conflict. It’s also illegal under international law. This isn’t hard.

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[-] spirinolas@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

It's becoming quite simple...

[-] avater@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago
[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Obviously there are individual victims, but as a nation Israel is mostly responsible as those who have all the power.

[-] Guydht@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Having power = the ones responsible?

They have no power in Gaza. They haven't had any for the last 15 years. The ones in control of Gaza and its population id Hamas, and the ones who doesn't take care of poor Palestinians is Hamas. And the ones who get foreign aid and uses it for rockets instead of infrastructure is Hamas.

Power != Responsibility. Life isn't spiderman.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They are using way superior power only to oppress, that's why they have more responsibility.

[-] Guydht@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

They use their power only when needed, which is very frequently given that their neighbors advocate for civilians giving away their lives to serve a religious ideology, meaning they're under a constant threat on their safety.

Yes, they're more powerful. But no, they don't only oppress using it. If they did, you'd have what china did to their muslim minority. The use of power is large, but not disproportionate to their level of security risk.

[-] pavokk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Israel has all the power over Gaza. They control who or what goes in and out. The way Palestinians have been treated I'm not surprised at all that they have ended up with extremist leaders.

[-] Guydht@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

They control everything in and out huh... Does that include the rockets and anti-tank ammunition Hamas has?

Give me a break. They had a free hand running their own region for over a decade, and that's what came out of it. Lots of military means - zero safe zones for civilians.

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