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[-] young_broccoli@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago

Everybody knows that sane, law abiding citizens become mass murderers the moment they hold a gun in their hands.

Yes, limiting access to the tools of murder will decrease murders caused by those same tools, but it does nothing to eliminate the murderous intentions of those people.
If we truly care about people's well being we should be doing both, reduce the risk of senseless shootings and massacres (gun control) and assist those with murderous intentions and other mental health issues who, believe it or not, are also victims of our sick culture and so-called societies.

[-] Jaded@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

Have you ever seen anyone arguing against mental health help? Only one of the two solutions you mentioned has a bunch of idiot fighting against it.

You also can't make mental health illegal overnight. People are born with mental health issues, it's not something they buy at the store or grab from their fathers closet.

Ban guns, ban guns now. Fuck gun culture and fuck all gun owners (even the responsible ones)

I understand your point, but everytime I see someone pointing at mental issues, it just seems to be like they will point at anything except the guns. We can thoroughly take care of the more complicated part of the problem once the easy part has been solved and they are killing childrens with knives instead of bullets.

[-] Umthisguy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What if I want to hunt so I can eat meat without supporting factory farming?

Just playing devils advocate here, I agree we need gun control in the US. But saying "fuck responsible gun owners" seems pretty black and white.

It seems to me that the media loves to latch onto gun stories to further polarize the US. Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book. Republicans don't want anyone thinking. They want emotional reactivity and sensationalized, impulsive retorts with lack of reasoning from both "sides" and nothing close to nuanced thought.

[-] teichflamme@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Do you really think no one else in the world is hunting?

Copy any weapon possession law from another first world country and it's already a great step in the right direction.

[-] Umthisguy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the perfect example of a strawman fallacy. I didn't say no one else in the world was hunting. I asked a question. Interesting how your first reaction is to immediately attack a position I didn't take. That's what I mean about the impulsive responses.

In any case, which laws from which countries are you referring to specifically?

So, to summarize, your answer to the question is people should be allowed to own guns to hunt with restrictions?

[-] teichflamme@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

This is the perfect example of a strawman fallacy. I didn't say no one else in the world was hunting. I asked a question. Interesting how your first reaction is to immediately attack a position I didn't take. That's what I mean about the impulsive responses.

You asked a question that is very easily answered by looking at any other country. Which is why I referred to any other country.

Nothing about that is an attack lol

In any case, which laws from which countries are you referring to specifically?

Take Germany's laws for example.

So, to summarize, your answer to the question is people should be allowed to own guns to hunt with restrictions?

Yes, in a model similar to Germany. Which means you can only purchase weapons made for hunting, you need to be a trained and licensed hunter, your weapons needed to be unloaded and locked away any time you aren't hunting, no every day carry, etc.

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