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[-] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think it's a mental health problem per se - I think American society is sick.

And I don't mean sick as in "something happened to you all" - I mean sick as in "you all willingly participate in it together"

There are plenty of other countries with guns who don't have the same kinds of mass killings the USA does.

The problem as I see it is that so many Americans are just so fucking emotional about everything.

Everything's a drama, or a story that needs to be be told, of a journey, or an underdog, or revenge, or a protector. Are musical montage. "I just have to tell you where I have come from" - "you just need ro know my roots"

Every disagreement is a fascist or a communist.

Nothing just "is".

Everything has to have bullshit emotional content and context.

The trouble is none of you will ever see yourselves as part of the problem.

You're in a narcissistic trap.

Liberals are 100% certain that "it's the guns" and get absolutely high saying it.

But it's not the guns. Canada has guns.

Loads of other countries have guns.

You're all fucking hysterical.

[-] Deuces@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Youre not entirely wrong, but I gotta say how funny it is to see a post complaining about how everyone blows each other's positions way up fisish by saying American liberals want to take away all guns. I'm sure you can find an American liberal that says that, but they're in a massive minority. Most of us would be very happy with Canada's level of gun control. You have to take a gun safety class and pass a safty test for any gun, with an extra class and test and a license for hand guns and assault rifles.

Canada also has a system for helping people with mental health problems that doesn't bankrupt the person.

Im pretty sure that's exactly what the Democrats have been asking for for the last 30 odd years.

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

As an American who's about as progun as you can get and still think the government has a responsibility to tax its wealthiest citizens and keep it's poorest out of poverty, I'd welcome the same level of gun control as we apply to owning motor vehicles: license programs to ensure everyone who can legal own/operate one is familiar with safe use, practice and undergone a bare minimum level of mental evaluation so that a psycopath or sociopatn can't just have a bad day to turn it on the general public. It would be a tough pill to swallow for some gun owners but if it was paired with removing a lot of the baseless restrictions (looking at you California compliant) with regular requirements such as yearly renewals and checkups with the ability for referrals to be made if a person starts acting in a way they could become a danger and law enforcement required to act upon it or face immediate termination if they were found to ignore it.

Combine that with single payer/universal healthcare with a comprehensive mental health for every citizen and it could lead to better diagnosing people suffering from conditions that could make them a threat to public safety and get them treatment that would hopefully help them live and not suffer from such conditions to say nothing of lower the chances for these violent outbursts.

Its a fantasy, yes I know. But the current system clearly doesn't work, and prohibition and war on drugs has shown repeatedly that restricting everyone to stop the minority of abusers only makes a massive underground/black market for such things that actually makes it easier to people to abuse them in ways that are more difficult to track and prevent. I'd rather try to make the fantasy work than pursue a method I know is only goin to have short term benefits and long term problems.

[-] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago

Yeah but there are lots of people saying it's the guns (literally in this thread) - that's basically what the OP is about. But even then the right wing acting like scared little babies about it too.

It's just everything is turned up to 11 with you lot.

All the fucking time.

[-] OrangeJoe@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Says the person who wrote a comment filled with hyperbole and points taken to their extremes.

[-] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago
[-] OrangeJoe@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You use the word everything a lot and phrases like "you're all". That's hyperbole. You can't possibly know what all 330+ million people think or how everyone acts and are likely basing your views off what you see on social media or in the news, not real life.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Everything’s a drama, or a story that needs to be be told

Well you should ask yourself if you're an outsider looking in through the lens of our media.

Because if you are, and you see us through our media, our media is very focus on profit generation, and gives a very 'two sides fighting' view of everything that is America, as that drives viewership and profits the most.

[-] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

It's from when I actually meet you lot. I won't even date Americans now in my city - it's just always some drama.

I'm sure not all Americans are like that and I've worked with some really cool ones - no doubt, but there's definitely a culture of emotional drama that contributes to an unhealthy greater society.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It’s from when I actually meet you lot.

It's a lot of Americans to have met to make a blanket statement like you did though.

I’m sure not all Americans are like that and I’ve worked with some really cool ones - no doubt, but there’s definitely a culture of emotional drama that contributes to an unhealthy greater society.

Well one thing to understand about America is there's multiple/many cultures, not just one, and it depends on what region of the country you're viewing. And then on top of that there's two or three meta cultures.

Also, you're not catching us at our best right now, we are pretty angry at each other here over politics right now, so try to consider that as well.

No one is perfect 100% of the time.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Insert Fight Club quotes. We've known for years. The American Dream is consumed by everyone from everywhere and when it doesn't come true, no one knows what to do.

[-] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Meh. Many other people from many other countries believed it. I hear ya. It's apt for today. But it didn't used to be that way

[-] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It was always that way, things look great when you build on the beach, not so much when the tide comes.

[-] Plague_Doctor@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It also doesn't help when we have fear mongering passing as legitimate news.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean sick as in “you all willingly participate in it together”

Not to detract from your well written comment, but there is something of a disconnect between the will of the populace and those who enact the laws.

[-] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not talking about the laws. I'm talking about personality wise, you're all so bloody emotional and feel everything is some important story or drama.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Well I'm describing the reasons why people may get "emotional and feel everything is some important story or drama".

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