When you say "workers" do you mean the actual workers or some vanguard party of intellectual champagne socialists who make decisions on the workers' behalf?

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Actual workers. If we made a society where people are taken care of, we'd find most folks would be enthusiastic about their work. Saying "people don't want to work" is often taken at face value when the reality is that most people do want to work, because it helps them feel a sense of purpose. They don't, however, want to be exploited/work under capitalism because that is soul crushing.

[–] animist@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

Oh I agree completely with all of that. I just have been duped before by MLs saying worker ownership and what they really mean is their particular political party controlling everything. If everything is run by workers' councils with no existence of a vanguard party, that would be paradise for me.

I would also go beyond saying that labor (not "work," as IMO the word "work" implies labor under capitalism) gives people a sense of purpose in that it gives communities a sense of purpose and connectedness. When we are all sharing in common labor toward the goal of enhancing our community and generally improving lives, we feel a more collectivized responsibility for one another.

[–] explodicle@local106.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Obviously they meant the former since that's what we're literally doing here. But even the latter would do a better job managing Twitter/Reddit than what they have now.

[–] animist@lemmy.one -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is it obvious though? MLs mean something very different from anarchists when they say "workers" in this context

[–] explodicle@local106.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you think OP is a Marxist-Leninist, posting online using a decentralized protocol ironically controlled by workers, to subtly build support for a big government-run website?

[–] animist@lemmy.one -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

THAT IS WHY I AM ASKING

[–] explodicle@local106.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That doesn't seem a little convoluted, improbable, and nonsensical to you?

[–] animist@lemmy.one -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

THAT IS WHY I AM ASKING

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago

I'M ASKING IF THE SKY IS RED BECAUSE I CAN SEE THAT IT'S BLUE