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What "complexities"? There is absolutely nothing "complex" about white supremacist settler-colonialism. End of story.
What "Israel-Hamas war"? Israel has been waging war on Palestinians since 1949 - long before Hames existed.
Fuck Barack "No We Can't!" Obama and his lib blame-shifting bullshittery.
Which part of...
...didn't you get the first time around?
Do tell... do you hide behind this (alleged) "complexity" when the subject of Apartheid-South Africa comes up? Or the Antebellum South, perhaps?
Israel is asshole.
Hamas is asshole.
I guess it isn't so complex after all.
Hamas is not the party that has been perpetrating white supremacist settler-colonialism since 1949.
Your "bothside-ism" is nothing but thinly-veiled apologetics for Israel.
Israel is not the party that stormed a festival and ruthlessly executed civilians and took civilians as hostages. It's easy to play this game. The fact is Hamas is the bigger asshole at the moment, much bigger. They launched an attack with no clear objectives other than killing Israelis. If they had lined up on the border of Gaza and said they were declaring independence, creating a sovereign state to end years of ongoing Israeli brutality, and requested international support to build the governance and infrastructure to support it this would be a totally different discussion.
Oh, look... a liberal blaming the colonized for their own colonization.
It just doesn't take a lot for you to betray the rabid right-wing, pro-colonialist ideology hiding under your liberal facade, does it?
Here's the part you're not getting: Hamas didn't launch the attack to end their colonization. Show me some clear, obtainable objectives from Hamas in this attack that will benefit Gaza and the Palestinians instead of just taunting liberals and I'll be all ears.
Here’s the part you’re not getting - the colonized does not require your approval or permission to resist colonization.
The fact that you obviously believe they do shows how thoroughly you are invested in viewing the world through the lens of white supremacist colonialism... so I guess the answer to my original question is in the affrimative - you are the exact kind of person that would have provided "complexity" apologetics no matter which instance of colonialist slaughter we'd be living through.
Peak liberalism - as the kids these days would say.
Again, Hamas is not doing anything to address or end the colonization. Nothing. I'll get on your side for a moment and for the sake of discussion I'll agree Israel has done very bad things to Palestinians over decades. Pile on whatever you want on top of this to make Israel out to be worse than Satan or whatever. Then answer the question, what positive outcome will there be to the Hamas attack? You've failed to identify anything. Your entire line of argument here is an irrelevant "because colonization" and a bunch of labeling and ad hominem attacks on anyone who disagrees with you.
Hamas's attack literally wiped colonizing acceptment off the table. They have tried asking nicely and israel just continued colonizing Palestine.
Again - the colonized does not require your approval or permission to resist colonization.
Positive for whom? You? A proven supporter of white supremacist settler-colonialism?
Or the Palestinians, perhaps, whom you'd prefer to blink out of existence quietly so that you can continue to exist inside your bubble of 1st world privilege without having to face the fact that said privilege is built on exactly that which we are witnessing in Gaza?
I said previously "Show me some clear, obtainable objectives from Hamas in this attack that will benefit Gaza and the Palestinians". How many times need I ask?
Your lack of an answer is the answer. Thank you.
Again - the colonized does not require your approval or permission to resist colonization.
Your apologetics for a white supremacist settler-colonialist state doesn't imply a requirement for "answers" on my part - considering that it is you that are peddling apologetics for a white supremacist settler-colonialist state.
Perhaps you shouldn't use terms you don't seem to understand, no?
Perhaps you shouldn’t use terms you don’t seem to understand, no?
Orrr... you could just not use terms you don’t seem to understand, no?
Neither is Israel. Please educate yourself on this multi-millennia long conflict before trying to claim it's not a complicated situation.
Shit, here's a short video that might help explain why this isn't anywhere close to as cut and dry as you want it to be: https://youtu.be/m19F4IHTVGc?si=F3X8LGUrQGMHdXVv
So your stance is Hamas' isn't an asshole?
Nope.
Either way, my 'both-sideism' is mostly the ability to be empathetic to the situation both sides are in currently.
If I were a Palestinian in Gaza, I would be pissed at essentially being born into an open air prison with the boots of another that hates me in my neck all my life. I would be willing to fight, however I could, to strike back at my jailers.
If I were an Israeli, I'd see Gaza as filled with dangerous people who want to exterminate me an my family. I would ideally want them gone, but knowing that's not possible, id want them kept as non threatening as possible in their cage.
Neither side is wrong; if I were Israel I wouldn't want any kind of solution that empowers a group whose stated goal is my death. And I can't blame the anger of the residents of Gaza for their treatment over the decades.
We have already established that you are "empathetic" to white supremacist settler-colonialism - which in itself proves that your "empathy" is no less facetious as everything else that emanates from right-wing ideology.
And if you were German in the 1940s, you'd see everybody to the east of Germany as dangerous "Jewish Bolshevists" that must be exterminated at every cost.
And according to the mentally diseased liberal "centrist" hive mind you are a proud member of, you wouldn't be wrong, would you?
No, Sonny Jim, you are wrong - and you know it, too. That's why you're tying yourself into white supremacist logic-pretzels to apologize for your support of white supremacist settler-colonialism.
That is it. End of story.
False equivalency. Eastern European Jews never stated their intention was to exterminate the German people and they never carried out acts of violence in furtherance of that goal.
This statement reads like you don't believe Israel has any kind of legitimate security concern in Hamas, which we both know is insane.
Really? Hold on while I get some popcorn - I'm going to need it while I watch you explain to me how Palestinians were planning the genocide of millions of Jewish people in Europe, Asia and the Americas. That little white supremacist logic-pretzel of yours is about to grow HUMONGOUS.
White supremacist settler-colonialist states has no legitimate concerns whatsoever.
So lets address this.
I'm guessing you are referring to the fact that Israel as a nation is less than a century old and has, as policy, granted citizenship to anyone of Jewish ancestry?
I do believe that the creation of Israel should have never happened. The creation of an ethnostate - especially an ethnostate tied so closely to a religion, was a mistake.
With that said, I don't think that has much bearing on the current situation. 80+ percent of Israeli citizens were born in Israel. They aren't new comers, for most this is their home and the only home they've ever known.
If your proposed solution is the forced dismantling of Israel and the forced relocation of it's people, then you are simply trading one genocide for another.
White supremacist settler-colonialism is not a mistake - it's policy. Do you think the hundreds of billions in murder-money the US gives Israel is merely the result of a typo?
And? Did you just assume that they were the first Jewish people to ever be born in Palestine? You did know that there has been Jewish and Christian Palestinians all this time, right?
It's not my proposed solution - it is merely the only solution. Israel is a western-backed white supremacist settler-colonialist project - it has no more "right" to exist than the Crusader kingdoms of the middle ages did.
You mean... like white people in South Africa are being "genocided," eh? What did you think? All people who has Israeli citizenship will simply drop dead as soon as the Israeli state packs up and leaves like the colonialist house of cards it truly is? Just like the Apartheid-regime in South Africa did?
Nationality is not culture, genius - you can't commit genocide against a nationality. Nationalities aren't people.
This kind of shit is why no one takes you seriously, bud.
Oh, the "enlightened centrist" hive mind doesn't take me seriously?
Go on... threaten me with a good time.