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I would be okay if every current politician over the age of 60 did the same. Bernie included (that man deserves a good retirement, anyway).
True, that said, I would also let Bernie stay.
Only Bernie.
Bernie praised Venezuela as a good model when Chavez was in power. It is easy to make promises and shit on policy when you don't need to explain how it is paid for. I don't think he has good policy at all.
Are you talking about higher education for all or healthcare for all?
Because he did release full budgets for both programs.
He proposed increasing taxes on millionaires and billionaires by like 4 percent.
That was enough to fully fund both programs.
His whole package.
The uber rich billionaire do not make up enough people to even amount to a small amount of this additional tax so it is mainly the millionaires who make up much of the middle class. Effectively it is the middle class paying for it.
And what he also failed to mention is that a great deal of capital leaves there country when you start to tax excessively. This is not a question if if but how much. And while that reduces the taxes gained from these individuals, it has a multiplier effect in that it reduces investment into the country thus resulting in less corporate taxes as well as all the personal taxes for that many fewer jobs.
I understand wealth inequality is an issue but people like Bernie only put it simple solutions because he knows people with little economic understanding will eat it up. Worse he knows he is lying which really bothers me more than anything.
Just like when all of this originally happened.
You say "he didnt say how he would pay for it!"
Then you were directed to how he said he would pay for it.
Then without pause you start throwing out make believe nonsense while completely ignoring the fully drafted budget.
And at some point in the moderate future, you will start another conversation (or more accurately, scream your drivel into the void) by saying he never said how he would pay for it.
Also, the unmitigated idiocy to say "millionaires who make up much of the middle class" almost guarantees you are a stooge making less than 100k a year who champions to make the rich richer and the poor poorer because you believe some day you're magically not going to be poor.
Millionaires are not middle class. Not even close. For the record:
"Pew defines "middle class" as those earning between two-thirds and twice the median American household income, which in 2021 was $70,784, according to the United States Census Bureau. That means American households earning as little as $47,189 and up to $141,568 are technically in the middle class."
I stand corrected. I should have been more precise. Yes he said he would pay for it but he was lying that it could be paid for. The guy thought chevez's Venezuela was something to praise after all. And many people making 141000 pre year have a million or two in assets. It will be this class that is paying for it and then some as capital leaves.
Alright. I see it.
Pretty sure his tax hike in "millionaires and billionaires" was in the context of income tax, not in the context of someone who saved 100k a year over 10 years.
So, I'll say you sound selfish, greedy, and like you want to make the rich richer, the poor poorer, you want the masses uneducated, and you want the poor to die of easily treatable medical conditions.
But yes. On prompt "what does tax the millionaires and billionaires", i dont know the deets.
And your hatred for a model of equal distribution of wealth doesn't earn you any points with me.
It was certainly in the context of income tax but the people he would need to pay that would have to be those making the 100k a year middle class. Just lots of them may have a few million in assets but that is his idea of the wealthy and who will pay for it. The middle class is by far the biggest tax base and there is no way to increase spending by that amount without going after them. And he knows it.
Bernie is just great at suggesting all kinds of spending which is really easy to do when you know you will never have to account for it. The guy praised Chavez for fuck sakes. Chavez who destroyed Venezuela which is now the poorest and most dangerous country in the Americas. And we are suppose to think he understands economics?
You really to really want to fuck over the poor, lets follow the ideas of a guy that wanted the US to follow the model of Venezuela. Good dam you are greedy.
Oh brother.
Where art thou?
would have agreed with you like 10 years ago, he caved in to the dnc too.
At his core, he still says the right thing. He is the first to voice something that doesn't sync up with the Dem party line.
Obama was sitting back clammed up until Bernie made his statement that Palestine needs an immediate humanitarian break, and the world needs to figure out how we break this cycle during that break.
Every time Bernie speaks up, his words still ring true as ever, but yes, every time I curse him for kissing the Democrat ring and letting Hilary rig him out of the general election.
I still truly believe he would have been the first third party president and would have stopped BOTH Trump and Hilary from doing what they did to the federal government.
Trumps weird appeal to folks that “just want to shake up the system” idiots would have been neutralized by third party Bernie, hardcore leftists that would have never vote for a neoliberal would jump at the chance to vote for him, that popularity and “across the aisle” appeal like that could bring in a bunch of centrists and those who don’t usually vote because “both sides”. He’d certainly have had a really good chance, he’ll even my conservative ass dad thinks Bernie is worth some respect because of how long he’s been doing it and saying the same thing
Yeah, it's that "how long" that gets me. I think he's still a great person that genuinely tries to do the right thing for everyone, but he's old (he's older than Biden). As far as I'm concerned, he's served his country well. He should not be on the front lines fighting Zionism and American Fundamentalism anymore.
Oh I 100% agree his time passed us by, we desperately need youth in all positions of government.
Because it was the best thing for the country.