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[-] Squeak@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Not sure an alert to a history of crashes is great. Now people will take their eyes off the road to read a notification instead of watching the road

[-] PixTupy@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

In my country there's sometimes signs that say something like "caution: accident prone area". I never thought it distracting when driving.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm amused at the notion of engineers putting up signs warning everybody that they're shit at their jobs.

Edit: I'm a former traffic engineer myself, so I'm entitled to say things like that. Frankly, our entire profession is doing it wrong and needs to be reformed.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Shit, it really feels like his point is spot on. If engineers are trying to design for safety, they're doing a horrible job at it.

I can't think of a single road I've driven down in the US that felt safe for anyone. Too much traffic weaving in and out and through merges and intersections, basically no safe bike lanes, and foot paths so close to fast-moving traffic that you feel like you're in a wind tunnel.

How does something so endemic like this get fixed?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

How does something so endemic like this get fixed?

That's a very good question. Ultimately, the standards of practice in traffic engineering need to change. Speaking of which: to put a finer point on just how much of an uphill battle that is, consider the fact that even the name itself^1^ -- "traffic engineering" -- is biased towards narrow concern for the routing of cars at the expense of holistic consideration of the street as a place. (See also: confessions #2, #20, and #28) There's a huge amount of institutional inertia supporting the bad status quo, including everything from university curriculum, to standards documents like the AASHTO Green Book and the MUTCD, to the fact that young Engineers-In-Training (EITs) are required to work under existing licensed Professional Engineers (PEs) for about half a decade (it varies depending on circumstances) before being allowed by law to strike out on their own -- which on balance is almost certainly a good thing because we definitely don't want unqualified people stamping plans, but also could lead to being inculcated into old ways of thinking and having latent new urbanist inclinations beaten out of them.

Fun fact: the biggest US traffic engineering research group, one which has an outsize influence in writing those standards documents, is none other than the Texas A&M Transportation Institute (TTI). In Texas. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but yea.

Anyway, one way for non-engineers to try to help that happen faster -- other than bitching about it on social media like I'm doing right now -- would be to educate yourself on New Urbanist/Strong Towns/Fuck Cars/etc. ideas, then get involved with your local politics and lobby for said ideas to be implemented. More concretely, read Jane Jacobs and Shoup and watch a bunch of Not Just Bikes videos, then call up your city councilperson, county commissioner and state rep, join whatever citizen planning groups happen to be around (e.g. my city has "NPUs"), and start bitching at those people about it. You can also go to public hearings for road projects and bitch at the engineers directly (they love that sort of thing, LOL).


^1^ It's a totally different subject -- albeit one I'm also passionate about -- but I like to cite this article as a good demonstration of how framing matters. It really can't just be dismissed as "mere semantics."

[-] PixTupy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh you'd love our "warning: road in poor condition" signs then. Those always tick me off.

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