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[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 73 points 1 year ago

For those who aren't necessarily concerned about a factory farm environment, they may not consider these animals as "valuable" enough to care.

However, to appeal to those people on a different level, that is the food you eat. And the people producing it are being very very very very protective about how it is produced. They are doing something to your food that they don't want you to know about, and it certainly isn't good that they're trying to hide it.

Factory farming is a huge reason for disease outbreaks. Bird flu? Mad cow disease? Right here, folks. And they'll package up your food without a thought other than the money they make from it.

Are you okay with the animals you eat living in conditions that could expose you to health risks? I hope you would be outraged if a food company was potentially putting you at risk because of their concern over their profits.

You should care.

[-] UnknownHandsome@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Producing food is fucking hard work. I have a family farm where I raise my own beef and vegetables. It's not easy. I grew up hating it because while I was working the garden, the tobacco and feeding cattle, my friends were doing fuck all.

The human race is so disconnected from their food supply it's disgusting. People have no clue if someone took a dump beside their lettuce in the field or not. (This is how a lot of those vegetables get diseases when they do recalls.)

But, humans are lazy and want things easy. I wish everyone had to grow their own food for five years to see how difficult it is to feed your face, but it's never gonna happen. People want the benefit of farming without doing any of the work.

I was gonna raise beef and sell it, but I'd rather just feed my family. Despite growing up hating farming, I have a better appreciation for my food and we need that shit everyday.

[-] Confound4082@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

I think this is important. Being disconnected allows for a more wasteful consumer mindset.

When milk goes bad in the fridge, ehh, spend $3 and get another jug. But, when that jar of goats milk goes bad, or the cheese doesn't work out from the goat in our backyard, it's a little more upsetting, that took a lot of work....

My view, and several friends and family members is that if you are unwilling to personally kill an animal to eat it, you shouldn't be eating meat. Some of these individuals are vegetarians, and others (myself included) are producing our own meat for our families as much as possible.

[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

By raise beef you mean raise cows through rape and then murder them or send them off to be murdered?

[-] jasondj@ttrpg.network 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You don’t have to rape cows for meat, just for dairy. You can totally get beef without rape.

[-] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago

you don't need to take cows for dairy, either

[-] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 1 year ago

no one is raping cows

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

You should care.

There's another aspect to it as well. My grandfather suffered from PTSD from working as a butcher almost his entire adult life - I've recently learned that it's a pretty common thing for people working in abattoirs.

If they don't care abuot the animals, they might (and that's a very iffy "might") care about the people.

[-] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I just want to point out that most butchers don't work on the kill line. I can see PTSD being common there, but it is definitely not common for retail butchers. Most retail butchers don't even see a carcass anymore.

[-] Willer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The dxe is about STOPPING animal agriculture altogether, so....

[-] mycorrhiza@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Their ultimate motives don’t make the question any less valid.

[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

We can't even guarantee the welfare or basic human kindness towards people.

One step at a time.

[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Lots of people have it better then factory farms though.

[-] ThePenitentOne@discuss.online 0 points 1 year ago

You act like it's mutually exclusive, when it just isn't. And guess what? Not eating meat and consuming less animal produce is significantly easier than fighting injustice that happens in foreign countries.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Factory farming is a huge reason for disease outbreaks.

Yes

And they'll package up your food without a thought other than the money they make from it.

No. Most people want to do good, they don't want to hurt others. They don't care about the lives of the animals, but most farmers, factory farmers included would hate to know that they led to people getting mad cow disease.

[-] mycorrhiza@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Most people want to do good, they don’t want to hurt others

Ordinary people are not rich capitalists who can earn massive profits by cutting corners. That’s not just against animals either, think of the conditions human workers have been subjected to.

[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

Most people want to do good, they don't want to hurt others.

That's very..... naïvely optimistic when it comes to big business.

I'm sure they'd be upset to know that they'd be losing money if a recall happens, but the vast majority of factory farms WILL cut corners dangerously close to make more money.

"Don't get caught" is the golden rule for the bottom line.

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