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“Of course they did! They may have been the boxes etc. that were openly and plainly brought from the White House, as is my right under the Presidential Records Act,” Trump posted on social media.

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[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You have to, they can't start a criminal investigation if they didn't think it was a crime. Both crimes are just as equally "administrative".

Similarly all of our foundational documents are living documents so a penalty just needs to be issued and precedent would be set. No one legitimately expected such a fucking masturbatory love of a document the writers of specifically said to change ... Often and as the need presents.

[-] roguetrick@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

No, I'm talking about law. Administrative law is set by the administrative branch of the government as delegated by congress. It's not codified, but is the policy and procedures of those administrative bodies, which has the force of law. Breaching those policies and procedures, which is what Trump did, is in violation of administrative law.

A legal duty is a more nebulous concept that is generally based on legal precedent. Usually has to do with something related to torts. You can't just take someone to court for an novel legal duty and expect that to magically stick criminally. It needs to be codified by congress or created in administrative law first.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

If it's a law they have a legal duty, your hedging doesn't particularly make sense.

legal

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adjective

le·​gal ˈlē-gəl 

Synonyms of legal

1

: of or relating to law

She has many legal problems.

2

a

: deriving authority from or founded on law : DE JURE

a legal government

b

: having a formal status derived from law often without a basis in actual fact : TITULAR

a corporation is a legal but not a real person

c

: established by law

especially : STATUTORY

the legal test of mental capacity—K. C. Masteller

3

: conforming to or permitted by law or established rules

The referee said it was a legal play.

Fishing in this lake is legal.

4

: recognized or made effective by a court of law as distinguished from a court of equity

5

: of, relating to, or having the characteristics of the profession of law or of one of its members

a bottle … that some legal friend had sent him—J. G. Cozzens

6

: created by the constructions of the law

A legal fiction is something assumed in law to be a fact regardless of the truth of that assumption.

legal

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noun

: one that conforms to rules or the law

[-] roguetrick@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

I'm not getting into semantics, I'm talking about the original post I replied to, namely

he has a clear duty to protect their secrecy

Which is talking about a duty in derived sense, not a codified duty.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

There is no "administrative branch" in the US government.

[-] roguetrick@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

That I'll concede. Can you guess what I meant though.

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