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this post was submitted on 13 Nov 2023
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I think most comments were generally helpful or at least sharing their experiences when faced with a similar problem.
The openly critical responses were downvoted.
I'm not a member of the community, but I think you might be a little unfair calling it not nice.
I had a look too... None of the parent commentors I saw were judging OPs taste, they mostly were saying what is readily available in the market, and at most providing their personal preferences, alternative suggestions to breaking in half a Dell keyboard that is easier, cheaper and less work and could still be suitable. Just because that's not what OP had in mind doesn't mean the commentors think that's necessarily a bad concept. A couple replies were uncalled for (the diabetic one for example) but those were appropriately downvoted as you say.
If a meal has a few rotten fries, am I unfair saying the meal was not nice?
So you'll blame every single helpful person for something they had no control over?
Dude. All I am saying is that there were unkind people in the mix and it made my experience unpleasant. I am not blaming every single helpful person.
I'm perturbed at the negativity I received and am expressing it as a meme.
Sure, but the way you're characterizing the group with your meme is that it was a mostly negative experience, when in reality almost everyone was kind except for one or maybe two people, and some of your comments were kind of inflammatory to boot. You're being needlessly dramatic, and stirring the pot over one rude person online.
OK yeah, I see that. It was how it felt with many of the interactions.
I am meaning to poke fun at how varied and crazy layouts can be, but I got so much pushback for asking about a new layout. "Just learn to type right" and things like that. You were not receiving the comments.
If I was wanting to join a group in person, and even one person was an asshole, I'd question the integrity of the group.
I get that, and I'm not trying to insinuate that your feelings are invalid, just that perhaps you are giving the small negative minority more weight than it deserves.
I think that with online communities, especially ones on social media that are more ad hoc than others or than IRL groups, it's a bit more expected to tolerate people who maybe don't have the best communication skills. Also, with a bigger audience, there's always a chance that someone is just having a bad day. While it sucks that that happens, it's important to try to give people the benefit of the doubt when we can, even when they're clearly in the wrong.
What that one person said was definitely not OK, though. Just want to be clear on that.
Thats totally likely. My interaction with lemmy is replies and negativity sticks much harder.
I really am not trying to say the community is a bunch of assholes. I found it pretty silly that ergonomic keybpards come in so many risiculously dofferent forms, and so many people were opposed to my proposed layout
That's not too surprising; there's a natural human bias called negativity bias which makes that a common human reaction, if not the default one. I think simply being aware of it can help give us a more rounded perspective on our own experiences.
And yeah, I get your intent wasn't to call the community assholes, but I think it's also fair that plenty of people interpreted it that way. Communication is a two way street, after all.
There were definitely some people who weren't outright rude, but also perhaps not terribly sympathetic to your particular use case, and were perhaps more prescriptive than they ought to be. But there were also quite a few who thought you had a unique and valid use case that hasn't really been explored. As an outsider, I found it to be an pretty interesting conversation you were all having.
simmer down ok
You seem whiney as hell, doubling down like that. Like a child.
Thank you. I repeated my idea because it didn't seem understood. I appreciate your kindness.
If that's your approach to internet forums you better stop using them. Every single forum online will have at least one asshole, which is why most modern forums have a downvote button so that the community can show everyone with a glance that that guy is being an asshole, do you see anyone like that around here?
In your other post the vast majority of answers are helpful, there's only a couple of assholes who were downvoted. And now you're whining about it because a couple people were assholes even though the vast majority of answers was helpful and polite, yet you're putting everyone in the same bag, and that is an asshole thing to do. If you find a community with a significant amount of people where absolutely no one is an asshole let me know.
I am making a joke about the few assholes. The community took it as an affront to everyone. The joke didn't work the way I wanted. Thank you.
That is your opinion. Idk why you can't just have a laugh at how my post had some controversy.
K. Believe what you want. I've said it's a joke and I think it is funny. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My fat ass would just eat around the rotten fries so I think it's a bit unfair to call the entire meal bad.
All I am trying to say to the community is that some of your people are being dicks to people newly entering ergo land.
If you are a group and some of your members are jerks, is it ok since it's just a few?
The jerks were largely downvoted, what more do you expect of them? That's literally the mechanism for dealing with bad actors. No one was okay with it, but you're acting like they were.
The way internet messages hit, it doesn't have the same impact as a crowd booing a bully away in person. Downvotes are practically invisible.
I really do want the overall message not to be that the crowd is mean. It was more that my ask caused a conversation that had enough community action tha it caused a large conversation.
Imagine the faces as questioning? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
My intent isn't to attack. Just make fun of the commotion I caused.
You are throwing a mean comment at every fucking single french frie.
Thats the problem. Not the meal, not the good nor even the bad fries are the problem. Its you, throwing your tandrum in the restaurant...
I guess I don't understand what to write online because I'm not being mean. A different culture i just don't get.
JESUS CHRIST, YOURE STILL GOING??
GET THE FUCK OFF YOUR PHONE, YOU SAD CASE OF TERMINALLY ONLINE STUPIDITY.
ABSOLUTELY NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SHITTY POST OTHER THAN YOU.
SOMEONE GIVE THIS UNATTENDED CHILD A 3 DAY BAN SO THEY CAN GO TOUCH GRASS
2 posts (plus the initial one) criticising the community seems like an easy way to catch a ban.
This person lost 1.3k karma in a day. They know exactly what they are doing.
I don't think their sweet le epic Social cReddit Score was their concern
Of course not. The attention is.
I do understand downvotes show displeasure at negative comments. It doesn't take away the impact of the comments. There are people in the community who are not kind.
Buddy, there are people who are not kind in every community. People aren't apples. Don't throw out the bunch because a few are bad.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/one-bad-apple-spoil-the-barrel-metaphor-phrase
Thanks for sharing that, but I actually am referring to the correct verbiage and intent of the phrase. "A bad apple spoils the rest of the bunch." Comes from the fact that apples release high amounts of ethylene gas as they ripen, which speeds up the ripening process for other nearby fruit.
As I said in my comment, people aren't apples. The saying shouldn't be applied in OPs situation.
Did not throw out the community.
I don't think people are capable of nuance online...
Since you're capable of nuance, you surely must have noticed this about your own comment. You responded to the advice that you shouldn't make generalizations by explicitly making an even broader generalization.
"don't generalize a whole group off individuals' actions."
"I'm just going to generalize everyone on the internet now."
I'm not. Am i not allowed to be upset at the jerks in a crowd?
Stop painting my intention with malice.
Oh. Nevermind. I see what you're pointing out. I ak bad because i generalized people in a conversation of you generalizing people.
You got me. Im bad. Makes you bad too, huh?
I did not take part in you original discussion. Then you posted your meme, which I found insulting, since I try to help people and not diss them. My initial reaction to your pic was "Over-reaction much?" It is time you got the message ....
As to your initial idea, the problems are that (a) no such keyboards exist, you will have to make your own. The reason they don't exist is because it is not a good idea, because (b) you are adding keys further from your home position and that is not good design for optimal typing. Hence why people told you it will be easier to improve your typing habits.
When you go ask experts for help, it is a good idea to adopt a humble attitude. Accept that they know what they are talking about (even if that is not always true, experts disagree all the time). Not everyone here is an expert, and as pointed out numerous times, every community has jerks or unpleasant people. Ignore them.
As there are in every bigger group of people? That doesn't make the community bad.
I am not calling the community bad. Why, when I say there was a jerk in the group, are you taking it as an affront on everyone?
This is a meme making a joke about a situation I had. I am not placing judgement on you.