I'm saying women being horrible and hurtful to men is something they need to work on. Using men as an excuse for why women can be horrible is unacceptable.

Let me ask you a question. Are all the stereotypical incels right how they treat women because some women have treated some man bad? No. So why are you saying the inverse is acceptable? That's the only point I'm making. Women need to do a lot better with handling themselves. That's not mens fault. Honestly this conversation is a waste of time.

For thr record. I'm Welsh and I was in Aus for a time but now I'm in NZ. Coincidently I seen two guys get dumped, one from each country. One happened just after dad died. Other happened when he went home to his nans funeral over the phone.

Rugby is integral to all three of those cultures and women are regularly involved. All blacks are everywhere and are a cultural icon on every from of adverstimement. You're mistaking how men only that is.