How are so many sites OK with using cloudflare when they are basically a MITM? (alien.top)

submitted 11 months ago by spottyPotty@alien.top to c/main@selfhosted.forum

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Regardless of whether or not you provide your own SSL certificates, cloudflare still uses their own between their servers and client browsers. So any SSL encrypted traffic is unencrypted at their end before being re-encrypted with your certificate. How can such an entity be trusted?

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[-] Bagel42@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Because it's everyones MITM. I trust them with security because it's the only thing they focus on, I focus on making my stuff stop randomly shutting down. If absolutely everyone is using it, I don't care too much if an issue appears- nobody cares about my tiny little thing when Discord goes through Cloudflare

[-] amunak@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Because it's "everyone's MITM" it would make it a perfect spot for state actors to tap into in order to surveil pretty much everything without anyone being able to notice.

Hell, just the server logs (timestamps, IP addresses and exact URLs) would be unbelievably valuable.

I'd be really surprised if someone wasn't taking advantage of that.

Which is to say if you selfhost because you want more control and privacy, you probably want to avoid services like that.

[-] spottyPotty@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Because it's "everyone's MITM" it would make it a perfect spot for state actors to tap into in order to surveil pretty much everything without anyone being able to notice.

Yep, that's my main point

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