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I don't really understand why the US is even considering giving Ukraine cluster bombs. They are banned in a lot of countries for a reason and Russia was rightly criticized for using them.
The US, Russia, and Ukraine have not signed any bans on cluster munitions. Russia, is already using cluster munitions AND mines IN Ukraine.
If you're worried about civilian casualties, you SHOULD be worried about the MILLIONS of mines and cluster munitions Russia is already using IN Ukraine. Ukraine is more than well within their right, to use cluster munitions.
Additionally, Ukraine has NOT used their stockpile of cluster munitions, out of respect for this western ignorance that could be used by Russia against them. Like they're currently trying to do.
Do you mean they haven't used all of their stockpile? If that's the case, why are they asking for more?
We know they've used some, so combine the fact that they've used some, with the fact that they're asking for more, and how can you conclude anything other than that they've used (most of if not all of) their stockpile?
From what I have heard both Ukraine and Russia has old cluster munitions with a high dud rate (~ 25%). The ones from US is around 2%. So if US cluster munitions help stop Russia using theirs the long term damage will still be lower. (numbers are not 100% accurate, I might be misremembering)
The US claims the dud rate is around 2%
Do you believe them?
From your sources it seems like they only used in this village, they only had enough to stockpile to attack one village?
It's not the only instance of Ukraine using them. I didn't attempt to do a full inventory of their use. My point was they are using them when you claimed they aren't.
If you can find accurate claims of how much stock they have remaining, then sure, I very well could be wrong, but again it's curious: if they have a sizeable stockpile, why ask for more, and why the whole tone of "it'll change the trajectory of the war" and "it's necessary for Ukraine's defense" surrounding their delivery?