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[-] jaybone@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

Even though all real world implementations of communism have failed miserably, liberals must be the naive ones.

[-] Cowbee@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Do you consider drastically improving upon previous conditions to be a miserable failure? Ignoring that Communism has never existed, and only specific forms of Marxism-Leninism have existed, and ignoring that MLism is only a fraction of all of Communist ideology, even MLism drastically improved upon previous conditions.

I'm not even close to a tankie, but I'm genuinely curious what you mean by what you've said.

[-] HardNut@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

Sure, and capitalism has never existed either, only specific forms of libertarian-constitutionalism 🤷‍♂️

Now, if you can see how silly what I just typed is, you should be able to see how silly it is to claim communism has never been tried. You say yourself that Marxist-Leninism is a communist ideology, so if it's being attempted, then it's valid to say a form of communism is being attempted.

Do you consider drastically improving upon previous conditions to be a miserable failure?

All of the citation needed. Don't make the mistake of including the goals of outcome as part of the definition, that's just cheating. Op obviously rejects the idea that it makes things better, you can't just assume it a priori.

[-] Cowbee@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Socialism has existed, that's what the USSR was. It was an ML Socialist state, but it failed to become a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society. In other words, it failed to reach Communism. Communism has been attempted, but never reached. It never reached the Communist stage, so Communism itself hasn't been tried, only the ML form of Socialism.

The Soviet Union doubled life expectancy from the mid 30s to the mid 70s, had constant GDP growth until it liberalized and collapsed, guaranteed free Healthcare and education, and had mass housing initiatives. It had far lower wealth inequality than before or after its existence. This is all freely available information.

Am I a USSR Stan? Fuck no, the Politburo was a corrupt mess and Stalin was a thug. However, you've completely misconstrued my argument.

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