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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 113 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Doesn’t fucking matter, I’m voting D because it’s a fucking binary system and the other choice is a dystopian totalitarian shithole and abstaining from voting is voting for said shithole.

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

it’s a fucking binary system

That can change but it requires people to get involved at ground level politics like school boards, city councils, county supervisors and township offices. It takes about ten years for these officials to reach congressional levels. The teabaggers did this successfully but they had a lot of financial support from wealthy conservatives.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

This is something that people constantly miss. It's why you can write off third parties. Plenty of people want to see change, but they think just winning the presidency is enough. It isn't. You need Congress too. And getting Congress means winning individual races on the state level. And winning those often means you need to win elections for state and local positions. You can sometimes skip local and go straight to state, but very rarely can you skip state and go federal.

If we want a better system, it needs to start local with a well organized ground game across every state. You need to build up a reputation and strongholds. Greens and libertarians aren't interested in doing this, which is I write them off as opportunistic grifters.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Yeah, the greens are especially a joke. The LP is essentially an outlet for Republicans to pretend to be "independent" every once in a while.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

The Greens are absurdly good at the grift. You had Jill Stein wine and dine with Russian oligarchs and have a few pseudoscience beliefs, including vaccine hesitancy, and people still thought she'd be better for the working class and handling COVID.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Yep. Also, they don't do anything serious at the grassroots level. Vote for them at the national level, but no candidates making their way up through the ranks by serving locally first? Get serious - that's supposed to be my viable option as a progressive? A compromised cutout kook like Stein hanging with the likes of Putin and pushing complete nonsense as a supposed option to vote for at the national level and....nothing at the local.

Who do they think they are kidding? It might be a great way to siphon off votes to help the fascist party get into office - like 2016 - but other than making a handful of useful idiots feel that they really Showed The Man (TM) by not backing Democrats, what have they done?

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

It takes corporations to get involved. Currently it only benefits them to have Republicans. Until the money gets involved it will never sway.

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