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I think the sentiment currently is that they can exist, but should also allow other nations/states to exist alongside them.
Apartheid states should not exist.
Sure, but apartheid is policy. You stop an apartheid state from existing by ending apartheid.
Yeah, but then they’ll claim bullshit that giving freedom to Palestinians is the “end of Israel”
It's still something you can argue should be done even if it's not currently politically feasible. Things don't always stay politically unfeasible, but they usually don't get pushed in that direction by people not making that argument in public.
My utopian take would be that Israel should become fundamentally secular, remove references to being a 'Jewish state', grant all Palestineans citizenship and full rights, and perhaps change the name - a lot of people would say that should just be called Palestine, but frankly I think a compromise of Israel-Palestine or some other completely new name would be fine too. End the colonialism & apartheid, everyone who's there lives in peace, people who had to flee during previous wars get to come back.
I don't know that we'll ever see that, but it probably is much more unlikely if we don't try to convince people that it's a good idea.
Zionists would say that's denying Israel's right to exist and is anti Semitic. That's the kind of fucked up Orwellian world Israel has imposed on the West.
For a possible "new" name, what do you think of Kena'an? It's been used in the past to refer to the region and nobody is currently using it so I think it'll fit; opinions?
The typical English name for that is Canaan. There's a lot of history surrounding that name in the Bible (OT, so shared by Jews, Christians, and somewhat accepted by Muslims too) and a lot of it not positive. I don't think a lot of people would appreciate that association even though it's likely based on myth.
Personally I don't really see that Palestine is a bad name as it's really just a name for the region and the only baggage it has is quite modern; Zionist Jews might prefer some acknowledgement of the land as Israel and so it would be tough to get them to accept something that doesn't include that IMO
Who cares what fascists cry about?