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[-] Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I get what you’re saying and that might very well be the case but you can’t be neutral in a case like this. Neutral means supporting Israel.

I have zero respect for countries voting no, but abstaining is no better. You (as a country) are literally preventing others to help by doing so. Someone is getting stabbed in front of you and you go “no, no, don’t help, we shouldn’t interfere”.

Just let them die I guess, they’re only Palestinians after all.

Shame on you Canada and all other yellows.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

I get what you're saying, I really do.

I'm from Canada and I support our position. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I don't know enough about what going on to make an informed decision on the matter. I don't live there, I'm not a part of any of their culture or religion, regardless of which side you're referring to. Fact is, any information I get won't tell the full story, and having zero stake in the matter, I could not possibly know what to say.

A ceasefire sounds good on the surface, people should use their words when trying to solve their problems, not guns and bombs. However, some situations can become impossible to escape without violence, and putting an end to the violence prematurely, could allow an unreasonable situation to thrive. I purely do not know what's happening, so I don't want a vote in what happens. Further, I won't be affected by the outcome, good or bad, so whatever I would vote, I wouldn't experience any consequences from that.

At this point, I'm not even asking anyone to tell me about it because there's a lot of misinformed people and/or people with an agenda that are going to just jump at me to tell me one way or another; simply, I cannot differentiate someone speaking about the matter from bias, from someone who is simply explaining the facts, because I have so little context.

Additionally, news media have not helped the situation. They go for the catchy, attention grabbing headline, regardless of what it may imply. So even the news could simply be putting something up that will drive engagement without telling the whole story (and bluntly, they often do).

At this point the issue seems to go much deeper than the actions of the current conflict, and as far as I can tell, this, or something like it, has been brewing on and off in that area for entire life.

I don't know what's right or factual, I don't know what to believe for correct information, I'm not involved, nor is my country (not like we have any significant military to enforce anything anyways), and we have no stake in the outcome.

Why would we vote on this?

To be clear, personally, I don't like conflicts, especially large scale ones. I don't want anyone to die for "the cause" at all. I don't like warmongers, and I don't want anyone (especially the innocent) to suffer and die because of some warmonger. I recognise that sometimes it's required, but I am not in favor of violence in any form. Same as self defense. If you're defending yourself against someone, violence is sometimes required, and legitimate.

To reiterate: I don't know about the conflict, and I don't know if I can trust anyone, even here, to give me accurate information about what's happening. Please don't lecture me about it.

I'll finish with this: I am hoping that the innocent in any, every, and especially this conflict, to be safe, and sound. I know not all of them will be, but I'm hoping for it anyways.

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