you are literally spewing out oil industry talking points.

Not at all. My original comment in this thread was replying to a comment that made it seem another person was vilifying "Asians" as opposed to talking about the technology.

If you're talking about my other comments in this post, then that's still not true. I'm not saying, and haven't said, that EVs are bad. I'm saying China is contributing to massive amounts of ecological damage. They produce massive amounts of of e-bikes and EVs, and then throw them into a field never to be used. This is being done to meet quotas so they can get government subsidies, and to boost numbers.

It's not about the damage of making batteries and other components, it's the damage being done by creating those things at such a scale that a lot of it is wasteful and unnecessary. And to top it off, there's going to be even more damage as those vehicles rot in those huge fields and leach harmful stuff into the ground.

So no, I'm not "spewing out oil industry talking points". I hate that people just assume what you're saying without taking a moment to understand the context. The oil industry is among the nastiest groups of people to ever live, but that doesn't give EV makers a free pass to do whatever. The reality is that, right now, making EVs is a dirty process. So it has to be done right and carefully, otherwise we won't be around to see the benefits.