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Threads seems to be beginning to test ActivityPub federation, and since Kbin can be used for microblogging, this affects kbin.social. What are your thoughts on federating or defederating with them?

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[-] livus@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is the sticking point for me:

wants to participate in the protocol exactly as intended

I don't think they want to participate in the protocol as intended at all. I think they want to gradually warp Activity Pub for their own ends.

This isn't about liking or disliking, it's about inferring future behaviour based on past patterns. That company has an abominable history. It actively impeded an international genocide trial (after it spent years facilitating the genocide).

When that's the kind of level they can stoop to I think it's madness to engage with them and expect good faith. The secret meetings haven't helped.

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

I don't think they want to participate in the protocol as intended at all. I think they want to gradually warp Activity Pub for their own ends.

If they do then that would be a reason to defederate.

All I'm arguing is that it's silly to defederate before they do that, because they might not.

[-] livus@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

A wild polar bear might not bite me if I pat it either.

Personally it doesn't seem preemptive to me because I think the part where Meta held secret meetings with certain Fediverse admins and made them sign NDAs was a clear indication of the way they are going to do things, i.e nontransparent and not as equals.

Perfect conditions for embrace extend extinguish, which is boiling a frog so could do a lot of damage before most people are able to spot it.

I accept that YMMV though, I just don't think it's particularly closed-minded of those of us who are too wary of their motives to want to federate with them.

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