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Where are the migrants from? I assume they aren't Russian nationals. It seems odd that Russia is trying to use them to bolster their own population. I get that this is probably an attempt to destabilize a Western country, but still Russia could use the people.
In local news our national broadcaster and right wing rags have reported that most of these newcomers are from Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Somalia.
Source: I'm a finn myself.
Here's also a link to a relevant news story from our national broadcaster YLE's english version, if you're interested to read more: https://yle.fi/a/74-20062259
Hmm interesting, thank you for the article. I wonder if this is more of a Russian trying to get rid of migrants of a mistrusted group and have a convention enemy to push them on to or a planned operation to draw them to Russia to use them as international political fodder.
Perhaps both. There are also news reports that some of these migrants now stuck in Russia are being pressured by russian military authorities to sign contracts to go fight in Ukraine, in exchange getting Russian citizenship later. More cannon fodder to the grinder...
Migrants have always been a big part of Russia's workforce, and while the population's opinion on them varies (as it does everywhere), Russian government didn't show much hostility to migrants, and they are vital for Russian economy.
Getting rid of migrants is undermining Russia.
It’s just busses of migrants but Russia instead of a republican
Perkele?
It's just an attempt to sow discord in Finland. Nothing more.
Russia isn't using them because Russia's calcified bureaucracy is very procedure-oriented, even if not very law-oriented, and the procedures for conscripting non-citizens are non-existent.
I just read an article a week ago about Nepalese fighting for Russia so I think that if Russia wanted to impress them they would.
Hiring is different from conscription, both in practical and procedural terms.
I feel it's a huge overstatement and reactionary policy.
A dozen or two of migrants a day will not kill Finland in any way. Way, WAY more of them came through other EU countries, yet they're obvioisly not gonna shut EU borders.
This is very political.
Why can't Russia take care of them?
Because they are already there and don't break any laws. It's not illegal to be in Russia, including near the border (although it does and always did enforce additional control in regions next to borders)
Russia can restrict new people coming into the country (a measure that will be very bad for Russia itself), but it can't just remove the people that are already legally in.
They could stop driving them to the border for a start.
Not that it's a Russian State Bus.
Those are commercial, and legally grey, not black.
And you can't stop all buses - absolute majority of them drive legitimate Finnish residents, and asylum seekers will just switch to cars.
It's about precedent. Finland already have their fucked up neighbour Sweden as a cautionary tale when it comes to refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants from the ME/Africa.
The point is, it comes from Finland as part of sudden shift from welcoming everyone longer than Finland can afford, to being shut off to compensate, and not from Russia being evil and waging a hybrid war trying to destabilize the country.
Radical turns like these are quite common as part of right-wingers coming to power, and they are pretty much always detrimental and irrational.
As much as Russia has a lot to be blamed for, here it acts as scapegoat to cover for right-wing crackdowns. It's important never to take automatic stances, even in relation to pariah states, while keeping vigilance to see when they really try to strike.