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The right wing extremism will always be imminent. It's like a show that ends every episode on a cliffhanger to try to keep audiences watching. Hillary gave us Trump: https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
Then she positioned herself as the only solution. It's funny when people say "OMG HILLARY WAS RIGHT" yeah, of course she could tell the outcome of a situation she was key in creating. She wanted that presidency and she was willing to promote fascists to get there. Vote for her or die. This is basically the only democrat strategy now. I'm going to keep voting for democrats anyway because our system has no real choice, but don't use this situation to shield democrats from criticism, they deserve plenty of it.
That's s stupid comment regardless of which candidate or election you're taking about. "Hillary warned us about Trump!" Of course she did. She was running against Trump! She would've warned us about her opponent regardless of who it was. In fact, if she didn't do that, she would be a shitty campaigner.
You know who else Hillary warned us about? Bernie Sanders!
This is all 100%.
Criticizing them doesn't matter though. They're still happy and rich if they lose.
The fight won't be small jabs, it will be big and all at once
Yeah... people are quick to point out that Republicans can't win elections without massive voter repression - but they never admit that Democrats can't win without literally threatening everyone with the other side's fascism, either.
It's been that way ever since the Obama betrayal - and that's not something corporate liberalism will ever deserve forgiveness for.
That's some absurd reasoning. "pointing out how the GOP are literally acting like fascists is the stupid Democrats fault".
Get the fuck out of here.
Democrats are not just pointing out that republicans are acting like fascists, democrats are actively funding and supporting fascists because they think of it as a valid strategy: https://www.npr.org/2022/06/20/1106256047/why-democrats-are-paying-for-ads-supporting-republican-primary-candidates
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/07/democrats-spend-millions-on-republican-primaries
https://nypost.com/2022/09/12/democrats-spend-53m-to-boost-far-right-gop-candidates/
Then they turn around and point at those candidates to say "we must defeat fascism". The problem is that some of these crazy candidates actually get elected (see trump, as I pointed out with the link I posted about clinton's team helping him). Democrats would rather slide into fascism instead of moving to the left, which is why they're funding these campaigns and then claiming they're the only way to fight it.
Really? Tell me again who are the ones "reaching across the aisle" as soon as the voting is done, enlightened centrist understander?
No. I won't.
So you're doubling down on blaming democrats for conservative fascism? Because you're blaming democrats for conservative fascism.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you simply forgot who it is that fascists actually serve.
Want a hint? You need me to remind you which dems are proud capitalists?
This "both sides" bullshit only flies until the one side starts actively pushing LITERAL fascist talking points.
What "both sides?"
How many Dem politicians did you see standing up for antifa when they were busy pushing the fash off the streets, Clyde?
Did you notice Biden's running mate? A proud memebr of the institution that was literally protecting fascists when they were marching in the streets?
Again... what "both sides?"
*asks "what both sides?" *proceeds to literally 'both sides' it.
In order to use a "both sides" fallacy, Clyde, you first have to have two opposing sides. The "good cop, bad cop" routine that the US political establishment plays with you doesn't mean there are two opposing sides here.
Are you in America? Because right now, in America, wr have literally two choices: shitheel Hitler or old establishment.
I would LOVE it if we had viable third party candidates or ranked choice shit. But we don't. So yeah I'm going to throw all my weight behind the candidate who ISN'T parroting shitheel nationalist rhetoric.
Your complaints against Biden are valid and worth discussing... but it's stupid and irresponsible to suggest that pointing out the fascistic tendencies of conservatives is the fault of the democrats.
Nope.
Even from here it's pretty easy to see that those are not two mutually exclusive things.
But you don't, do you? Do you think it's some coincidence or "Act Of God" that you don't?
If that makes you sleep better at night, be my guest. Hell, if I was a USian I'd probably do the same.
Biden is not the problem - it's the political establishment people like him (and Trump plus the rest of them) represent. That's the problem - and voting is not going to fix that.
It was that way during the 2004 Bush v. Kerry election and probably the 2000 Bush v. Gore election, too. (I don't remember much about 2000 because I wasn't really paying attention to politics yet.) And it probably goes back even further than that.
You know all of the rhetoric used against Trump? They were saying all of the same things about W. Bush.
Obama was very different... when Obama promised change people believed him. People don't really talk about this... but I believe that Obama delivering nothing except more of the same was the last time people who voted Dem would ever trust corporate liberals ever again. There was a break there that the Dems can never fix, and deservedly so. It's the reason why the Dem strategy to win elections now pretty much boils down to "vote for us or we hand you over to the fascists."