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[-] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 49 points 11 months ago

And if the death of, by the latest count, 764 Israeli civilians is a Holocaust, what does that make the death of 12,000 Palestinian civilians?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 56 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

19000+ as of 4 days ago, and this is the minimum number since it only includes people Gazan hospitals physically counted.

[-] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

19,000 is the total I've seen, but I don't think there are good figures on civilian vs. combatant deaths. I was assuming a very conservative 2:1, which I saw reported somewhere, but I assume the civilian share is much higher, given that at least 7,000 or more of the dead from Israeli attacks were children.

In any case the point is that if killing Israeli civilians is wrong then killing dozens of times more Palestinian civilians should also be wrong. It's a shame that most of the American political leadership doesn't see it that way and instead wants to send Israel even more weapons with which to murder a vastly disproportionate number of civilians to the losses suffered in Israel.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

19,000 is the total I’ve seen, but I don’t think there are good figures on civilian vs. combatant deaths. I was assuming a very conservative 2:1, which I saw reported somewhere,

I think you might be misremembering; that 2:1 is the number for October 7th.

[-] snek@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Seems like the vast majority of those killed in Gaza are civilians.

The IDF claims 7k were "terrorists" but of course no proof for that. So far they have said anything from "we have captured/killed a dozen Hamas fighters" to "they are surrendering in hundreds"... but in the former example, a family of 35 members all die and among them is maybe, somewhere in the rubble a single Hamas government official or Hamas errand boy... and the latter, well, we've seen the pictures of "hundreds of Hamas fighters surrendering" and they all seemed to be civilians who got tortured.

I think the IDF could barely kill any militant fighters and that's why they have no figures or bodies or photographic evidence or any way to verify whom they've killed. Add to that, the majority of those people killed in Gaza were in their homes or a refugee camp.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

In the minds of those who see Palestinians as "untermenschen" - subhumans - their lives don't count the same as human lives. (An Israeli government official quite literally and openly in a press conference deemed Palestinians to be "human animals").

This shit we're seeing is the violent expression of the most cold, cruel and extreme racism, all endorsed and even militarilly and diplomatically supported by the US (which is the ultimate hypocrisy from such loudly self-proclaimed defenders of "freedom").

[-] Strobelt@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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