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[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This whole thing is wild.

I honestly can't fully feel good about HBomberGuy's video. While it was important to point out a prominent plagiarist. While HBomberGuy always starts off his videos as "don't attack this person." Realistically his fans always seem to show up and bash on the person he's exposing or attacking. ~~He's kind of being a bully. I mean, a bully with a decent reason, but still a bully.~~ Thinking about it, bully isn't the right term here.

Content Warning: Mental Health, Suicide.
My biggest concern is that James Somerton doesn't seem like the most stable person, admitting he just got out of the hospital. Taking that in good faith it could mean that this event drove him to do something to put himself in there. I question if Hbomber's next video might cause someone to take their own life. Someone who can't handle the influx of hate from a community much bigger than theirs. James Somerton only had 330 subs, a 4th of what Hbomerguy has. You are then dealing with an influx of people that is potentially as big as your community all angry at you. Many people have taken their own lives or attempted to because of these exact reasons. Maybe I don't see it but it doesn't feel like Hbomberguy is considering this as a factor in his videos.

[-] ranandtoldthat@beehaw.org 72 points 11 months ago

This is the most radical centrist take I've heard yet. The idea that exposing immoral acts is worse than the acts.

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying I can't feel good about the video. In fact, I covered this in my original comment. It needed to be done in some way but I am not sure it's the right way.

[-] ranandtoldthat@beehaw.org 21 points 11 months ago

I believe that you don't realize that you are saying that. But you accidentally are. The individual in question targeted and attacked people, smaller creators, that correctly called him out in the past. He abused his weight to hurt people with full knowledge of what he was doing. He plagiarized dozens of people. He scammed thousands of people. He lied to hundreds of thousands of people.

And you're saying he got bullied by Harris. You are (likely unintentionally) implying that many of his victims individual feelings of betrayal are somehow not their own and less valid than the scammers' stated feelings.

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago

Even re-reading what I said, I don't feel like I come off implying that at all. There needs to be room for conversation on how to handle the situation without saying that the victim's feelings are less valid than the attacker's. If there is a better way to word what I wrote to focus on that then please let me know.

I think TheRtRevKaiser said it best "This last video felt like watching somebody’s life being dismantled [..] honestly the whole thing just kind of made me feel sad, I didn’t get much satisfaction out of it." and that's exactly what I was trying to convey.

[-] ranandtoldthat@beehaw.org 9 points 11 months ago

And, perhaps separate from my other reply. I'd suggest editing to strike out the accusations of bullying. It's quite an unfair accusation.

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah, thinking about it, I don't I meant bullying but more or less an attack. Which is it, but a justified one.

[-] ranandtoldthat@beehaw.org 8 points 11 months ago

I get ya. I don't think there is a real way to feel satisfaction when someone trangresses like this. A sense of justice, one day, perhaps.

That last video was indeed sad, it was good for nobody. I don't envy Mr. Somerton. He, unfortunately, continues to make bad choices, which he puts in full view of the global public. I hope he gets the help he needs. His feelings are valid, and he may need help understanding and processing what he's done and how it's impacted his life. It's probably going to leave an acute trauma, which I don't wish on anyone. It may take years to recover. I also understand that his own feelings don't justify his past miadeeds.

I don't envy his victims either. Those who's work, ideas he plagiarized. Those he scammed. Those he lied to. Their feelings are equally valid. And their voices are numerous. We mustn't try to silence them just because they are numerous.

We'll see what comes from Harris' fund. Maybe that will finally produce a modicum of justice.

Longer term, I hope Mr. Somerton's story can be educational, and make it a bit harder for someone like him to hurt people next time someone tries.

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