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They're both fantasies
Communism has existed
It is significantly easier to establish communism in a small community, where you can see the people daily that you consider part of your tribe, than a national communism where the work you put in benefits someone on the far side of the country that you've never met, and may consider them as part of your "tribe" on an intellectual level, but not much beyond that.
You already put in work that benefits someone that you’ve never met, in this case it’s a billionaire. I’d rather pay for someone’s lunch than another yacht ykwim
Sure but you’d also rather benefit a nobody in exchange for money than you would in exchange of “trust me bro”. As you say, you’re working to benefit somebody else in both ways, but only one gives you immediate positive feedback. In enormous societies such as modern countries are you need a strong stimulus to work, money provides that but benefits don’t - you would see much more people happy to pay taxes otherwise.
Not that I wouldn’t love living in a Star Trek federation like communist society, but we ain’t there yet
I believe you would. But it wouldn't happen, you'd be still paying for the rich. Instead of lying about trickle down economy they'd sell you lies about everyone being equal.
We had the Soviet version of "communism" when those fuckers occupied us. Never again.
Yeah, that's why we need a transition period of Socialism.
That period has to be generations long however and on a multinational scale to set the stage for eliminating money and the state so we'll probably never see Communism on a national scale in our lifetime. Socialism's good enough though tbh
Mechanical solidarity
Kind of relevant, minus the religion and customs.
Communism only in the sense that the need for mobility/a nomadic lifestyle means that private property exists only insofar as you can carry it with you. It doesn't work in settled agricultural societies because once a person becomes attached to a specific piece of land as is necessary in agriculture, other types of private property become possible and personal incentives begin to diverge such that the only way to achieve or maintain communism ends up being through coercion.
We don’t farm enough anymore.
Username tracks
The communism can be build, but so far the attempts required dictatorship type of government to keep the people in line. In future, it might happen though automatically, when our relationship to AI is akin our pet relationship to us now. Pets live under communism.
Pets do what now?
Pets live lives of luxury that they would never be able to afford were it not for somebody else’s toil. They don’t go hungry and they want for nothing, even medical expenses are provided by the people who serve them. Humans do all the work and pets reap all the benefits. They make us feel guilty if we stop providing for them and this is just how things are and have always been.
Pets are the ultimate capitalists.
Except for all the ones that don't have homes, all the ones that are abused, and all the ones that do jobs every day.
They are animals then not pets. The difference between an animal and a pet is that a pet has an owner that cares for them, it’s pretty much the definition
Cats: Owner? Don't you mean servant?😾
Can’t be capitalist without capital.