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Don't be hard on yourself for making the correct decision.
If someone tells you that you have swallow stale lima beans or horse shit and you pick the stale lima beans in hopes that you never have to do it again... well it sucks but those were the choices. If 4 years later you have to do the same thing again... well you do it, because eating stale lima beans is always going to be better than eating horse shit, and you're going to have to eat one of them.
You don't have to feel like the lima beans are your choice, your preference, or your fault or responsibility. They were one of two choices available, and you made the right one.
I'm old, and I've been eating stale lima beans all my life.
In 2008, I was finally promised a meal, and I even campaigned for it. But it turned out to be more stale lima beans.
This stale lima bean routine is wearing thin.
I hear you man.
But still, if it goes on for 50 more years, would it ever be better to choose to eat a horse's shit over stale lima beans? Of course not.
We need to change the menu. But that's a different problem.
The question of whether to pick lima beans or horse shit is an easy one, and one that nobody should find controversial. And you should not feel bad for making the right decision there. Remember, your kids and neighbors have to eat whatever meal you choose too.
We need to change the whole fucking restaurant tbh
And I do too. I'm not far removed from this. My husband is a first-gen immigrant, I'm gay, I have family being detained by our fascist state, and family who are trans. I don't know if I have the privilege to keep serving them stale lima beans, when the stale lima beans are slowly killing them. I desperately need a new meal.
Last time Trump got elected everyone got off their ass next time.
Maybe it’s time to take the nasty medicine to cure the disease.
The disease is the entire state and system.
You have an obligation to do that, until there's a better choice.
In the meantime, we work on changing the restaurant. But until we do that, don't feel guilty at all about choosing the better of two options!
Last time everyone had to eat horse shit they stepped up the time after that.
If no one’s smart enough to step up this time and bring a worthy candidate, then bring on the horse shit.
Maybe trump two electric Boogaloo will make everyone change their mind next time and wise up
Yikes. That's some bizarre logic. You'd actually choose to eat horse shit because maybe next time you won't have to eat horse shit, when you could just not eat horse shit now.
I don't think we can communicate on any meaningful level when you're this fundamentally irrational.
No I would rather force everyone to eat horseshit that way maybe they will put different options on the menu next time.
If you are going to use a metaphor follow it through
I didn't lose the metaphor. You just took it for a turn I didn't expect.
I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not a horrible person, but here you are straight up saying, in your own words, that you'd rather eat horse shit than lima beans, and you'd rather force your children, your loved ones, and your neighbors to eat horse shit than lima beans too.
I was expecting that you'd have some amount of empathy and the sense to eat actually food over something that could make you extremely sick or kill you. But you don't. So as I said above, I don't think we can communicate on any meaningful level. You are completely irrational and lacking in empathy, and we don't value the same things.
I think in the end we actually do value the same things, the difference is I don’t think that means are worth the end anymore. If you can’t do some thing without being correct and right and you shouldn’t do it.
If we can’t get to where we want through the correct means, then we shouldn’t get there.
How you do something is just as important as what you do.
If you feed the hungry, but you do it by killing thousands of innocent children and feeding the masses their bodies, then you may have met your goal of reducing demand and increasing supply, but it wasn’t worth it.
But the scenario you outline above is literally the opposite of that.
You said you'd choose to force feed everyone horse shit instead of food if it brought about the end you desired.
You're saying the completely opposite thing now.
I think maybe we do want the same thing, but we're disconnecting at some level of this conversation and we're not going to get anywhere unless we get on the same page.
Imagine comparing supporting genocide to something as nutritious as lima beans.
Imagine using an analogy to illustrate the difference between two choices.
It seems you can't.
Lima beans are good for you and nourishing (and I find them delicious.)
If genocide nourishes you, that would explain why you're so upset at people who don't want it to happen.
I just pointed out how you're unable to understand an analogy. You don't need to provide more proof of that.
If you don't want people pointing out how your analogy is crap, don't make a crap analogy.
This is the correct mind set as it really is a binary.