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[-] Maddie@sh.itjust.works 125 points 10 months ago

Reminder that someone online arguing that you shouldn't vote for Biden because of whatever pet grievance is either a Russian agent or an idiot playing into their hands

[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 75 points 10 months ago

If people think an "evangelical" is going to handle the conflict in Gaza on the side of the Palestinians better than Joe Brandon they are sorely mistaken and/or misguided. 45 wanted a straight up Muslim ban ffs.

[-] harmsy@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I'd rather deal with someone who enables Israel's bad behavior instead of someone who not only cheers it on but offers to help make it worse. There's at least a snowball's chance of convincing the enabler to stop enabling.

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

Evangelicals want this conflict, because in order for Jesus to come back and rapture them, the mosque on the Temple Mount must be destroyed so the temple can be rebuilt, which is step one of their prophecy. That’s the real reason they pretend to care about the Jews.

They truly believe this is their end times, and worse, a few years ago their perfect red cow they’ve been waiting for these thousands of years was certified; if that cow dies before they get the chance to sacrifice it to rebuild their temple, they may have to wait another thousand years.

It’s a death cult and they’ll kill us all.

[-] mrnotoriousman@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

And how quick all these Hamas and Houthi cheerleaders forgot Ukraine too. A country that would not exist anymore if Trump had won 2020.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago

"Forgot"?

No, they think Ukraine is a fake Nazi state run by a Jewish drug addict puppeted by the globalhomo Western imperialists.

In other words, insanity.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And soon those farms are going to be powered by ChatGPT. When you hear that Russian line it's going to have ten replies all agreeing and giving supporting arguments.

I wonder if we'll be able to spot hallucinations in such a simple task.

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 months ago

bots congratulating each other on right thoughts.

[-] marxistsynths19@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Reminder that not everyone who disagrees with your guilt tripping self righteous nonsense is a Russian bot. Some of us actually use critical thinking and can see a pattern that must be broken.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I've been called a Trumper/Russian bot/Chinese bot since 2016 (on Reddit, same username) because I'm critical of ALL politicians. I got banned from /r/politics for listing reasons why Hillary would lose and what she needed to change in order to beat Trump. Welp...

[-] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 0 points 10 months ago

Did you think people in the Hilary campaign would be trawling through r/politics, looking for your comment and changing their platform to what you wanted?

Or were you just encouraging voters not to participate in the election?

[-] Dukeofdummies@kbin.social -2 points 10 months ago

look, I can understand the argument that you must vote for the most effective way to contain an evil. It's a good solid argument.

However it starts taking damage almost immediately when:

  • The plan to fight the evil is using the most disliked president in recent history to win a popularity contest.

  • They pre-emptively destroy any and all opportunities to find a better candidate to win the popularity contest against the evil.

  • They refuse to debate anybody just like the evil they want to defeat. Making it impossible to verify they're the one for the job.

  • They forcibly re-schedule the primary schedule to delay any signs that this plan might be a terrible idea.

  • Their age is seriously in question, their mental acuity is in question, and they also decide to dodge being in a completely unscripted environment for two hours while standing.

Certainly with all this you can at least understand why someone would rather vote third party, because this Biden option is not making me feel any safer.

At what point can we stop pointing the finger at the voters and start pointing at the guy they're "supposed to vote for"? Is there a point we can ever point that finger at Biden? Or is it like Trump,where we need to vote for him "even if he were to shoot someone in the street"?

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 6 points 10 months ago

Is there a point we can ever point that finger at Biden?

Point fingers all you want as long as you vote to keep the rapist, insurrectionist, self-admitted wannabe dictator out of power.

[-] MaoZedongers@lemmy.today 0 points 10 months ago

Yeah Biden is only the first one so 1-3 = 2 so he's good candidate

[-] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It works better when you have an idea of what the President actually does and what direct action would mean.

Almost everything we would want to do is at the local or regional level. Want higher density housing? Your mayor and city council control that with no say from the President. Better public transportation? Same, though the President can try convincing Congress to pass grant funding for it. More and better bike lanes? Same thing. Get rid of anti-homeless architecture? All city level stuff.

School lunch programs? State government can stop it if the wrong people are there. Expand Medicare? Same. Better rail networks? Same. Ban gay conversion therapy? All state government.

Foreign policy is the one thing where the President does have a lot of control. That's actually the exception. I like Biden's approach on Ukraine--getting most of Europe to go along with sanctions at all, especially after Trump destroyed our soft diplomatic power, was amazing. His approach on the Gaza conflict is far less amazing, to put it mildly. Other than foreign policy, the position is mostly advocacy and horse trading around funding priorities with Congress. Soft power for the most part.

A bad President, especially combined with a bad Congress, sure as hell can stop the local agenda items, though. Pull the grants for cities to implement public transit. Pull Medicare expansion entirely. Don't provide school lunch program funding at all. Put judges in power who rule arbitrarily in favor of conservatives with no care for precedent.

What voting for Biden is for is to make sure the federal government doesn't overrule things built locally and regionally. That's it. The rest needs direct action on the part of all of us at different levels of government.

[-] daltotron@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

A bad President, especially combined with a bad Congress, sure as hell can stop the local agenda items, though. Pull the grants for cities to implement public transit. Pull Medicare expansion entirely. Don’t provide school lunch program funding at all. Put judges in power who rule arbitrarily in favor of conservatives with no care for precedent.

What voting for Biden is for is to make sure the federal government doesn’t overrule things built locally and regionally. That’s it. The rest needs direct action on the part of all of us at different levels of government.

finally somebody gets it dude hoo lee I feel like I've been wearing the nightmare vision goggles and taking the crazy pills or something

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