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Why is this so difficult?
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I think Americans in general don't see it as a difficult choice to support Ukraine
Politicians find it difficult because Republicans are pro-russian, and both parties are heavily aligned with Israel. So Ukraines the only one really seeing any push back.
Fuck that, isreal is a terrorist state. Anyone voting for funding isreal is voting against human rights.
Israel should still exist
No it shouldn't. It should never have existed. Palestine should exist and yank settlers can fuck off home. Jewish people can live in Palestine. Zionists should get the same treatment as Nazis.
Yeah let me know when anyone actually poses an existential threat to Israel and then we can talk. Until then, they deserve zero aid while perpetuating genocide.
Conflating genocide with "defense" is zionist talk.
Honestly surprised that I hear this so much. For context, I am not a Republican, so I'm not defending them, but every Republican I've talked to has been anti Russia to the max. They might disagree on the amount of money that we send Ukraine ("Why are we sending billions over there when we can't even figure out our own country" comes up a lot) but I've never heard a single one say anything in the support of Russia. It's so confusing when I hear people say conservatives are pro-Russia... Different ecosystems I guess
I do believe they were referring quite specifically to the politicians, since on every side it seems politicians are disconnected from their constituents and do things those constituents absolutely wouldn't (this isn't some bizarre both-sides argument btw, just general frustration at the state of things)
Ah, that would explain it. I have a bad habit of assuming people mean people, and I like ignoring that politicians exist :p
Republicans aren't pro-Russia. Some just think war against Iran or China is a higher priority.
The republican party has literally been proven to have received Russian bribes, but go on.
Russiagate is a made up conspiracy theory and US politicians are ~~bribed~~ lobbied all the time from all sorts of wealthy interest groups.
I was about to call you neive but then I thought, maybe your right. What if the politicians arnt pro Russia, they are just pro money.
So they are taking bribes from anyone, be it Russia, isis, pharmaceutical companies or big oil. We just catch them out as Russia are the worst right now
I think that's worse than them "just" being pro Russia ๐
Of course politicians are pro-money. You don't get to be a politician in a capitalist country without being pro-money, wealthy, and well connected to others who are wealthy.
Bribery is in most cases legal in the US. It's called lobbying, or campaign donations, or the revolving door between public service and private industry. It's also an unsolvable problem given the current economic paradigm. The capitalist class will determine government policy in one way or another, as the government is designed to protect the interests of the capitalist class. The will of the working people is completely irrelevant.
Russian money, insofar as it does exist in US politics (there's astonishingly little of it compared to other sources) is drawn to attention by a media that is owned by the same companies and people that are bribing in a much larger way. They call attention to the few thousand dollars a Russian immigrant may or may not have donated to the NRA or a Republican candidate to distract from the billions of dollars Wall Street spends on candidates and kickbacks to make sure they're the ones who control US economic, financial, and foreign policy. It's easy to call attention to Russian money because the same media has created an environment in which anything Russian is pure evil, so people don't even question the content of the story being told. This has its roots in Cold War anti-Soviet propaganda, which has been dug up and repackaged to use against a post-2008 "non-aligned" modern Russia.
Fallacious reasoning. Either it is one or the other, not both. Why are you arguing in bad faith?
I never said these two things were related nor mutually exclusive.
I'll be more explicit.
Russiagate was a work of fantasy telling a story about a supposed Manchurian candidate, rather than admitting that the Democratic campaign made mistakes and that Trump spoke to genuine issues the US population has (of course without solutions but that's not the point here).
~~Bribes~~ Campaign donations and favours are given to candidates and office holders all the time by interest groups, companies, and wealthy individuals. A donation by JP Morgan or a Koch has nothing to do with the Russiagate fairytale.
meanwhile in the real world
Rightwingers don't get a word in, as their brains clearly can't process a single thought :)