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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And what did Marx think about voting for the lesser evil:

Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.

Karl Marx and Frederick Engels Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League, London, March 1850

[-] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 22 points 9 months ago

Trump and his cult will be a little more than "a few reactionaries in the representative body".

[-] MicrowaveCat@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

And Marx is talking about Parliamentary systems here, which may color the analysis.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Maybe an American opinion:

I will be no party to it and that will make little difference. You will take large part and bravely march to the polls, and that also will make no difference. Stop running Russia and giving Chinese advice when we cannot rule ourselves decently. Stop yelling about a democracy we do not have. Democracy is dead in the United States. Yet there is still nothing to replace real democracy. Drop the chains, then, that bind our brains. Drive the money-changers from the seats of the Cabinet and the halls of Congress. Call back some faint spirit of Jefferson and Lincoln,and when again we can hold a fair election on real issues, let’s vote, and not till then. Is this impossible? Then democracy in America is impossible.

-Why I Won't Vote: W.E.B. Du Bois

[-] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

That's a very poignant piece, and it was my motivation back in 2000 when I refused to vote for Bush or Gore. It was also before I knew anything else about Du Bois and the context in which he wrote that piece, and it certainly wasn't when a guy like Trump was running.

[-] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -1 points 9 months ago

lovely

bravo

just perfect

would that we could hear it in his own voice

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Parliamentary is still FPTP for members of parliament.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Most people are trying to bring in social programs, not communism. The Democrats can do social programs, and they can do them better when we move the Overton window left by continually voting in Democrats

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

The Democrats can do social programs,

But won't.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Obamacare. Try voting and moving the Overton window and they can do more.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I do vote. The window keeps moving to the right. To the point where a handout to the insurance industry is considered a social program.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Just think about how much worse it could be.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

Oh, I'll just have to wait. The overton window isn't going to move to the left. It's already so far to the right that the "left" party supports genocide.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Do you honestly think it hasn't moved right because Trump won? Now think what will happen if he wins again.

Ps you're what the meme is about. Except the meme is wrong, didn't save anything because Trump would escalate it.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

And there it is, like clockwork.

The assumption that anyone who doesn't love genocide must be a Trump supporter.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

And there it is, the strawman.

Cheers.

[-] Enkrod@feddit.de 15 points 9 months ago

Marx and Engels had proportional representation to work with instead of first past the post. This is exactly why the US needs proportional representation, at least for congress, to break the de-facto two party system.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

That doesn’t prevent the workers from forming their own party and promoting their own candidates. Circumstances in every country will always be different.

[-] 31337@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

How did that strategy work out for them?

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago
[-] 31337@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

I consider China "state capitalism" (I don't think the workers even own the means of production). Certainly not the kind of authoritarian "Marxism" I'd want anyway.

I skimmed through the article, and it makes a lot of mentions of Germany and France, so I'm guessing it didn't work out to well in those countries.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I don’t think anyone really wants authoritarian Marxism, but they established a legacy that is still studied today. It would be interesting to know what they thought of the movement today.

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